About the ROM

2004-02-17 10:05:41 pm

Where can I find a ROM for this game? I actually found one, and downloaded it, but every application I tried opening it in didn't work. So how do I get it to work? And answer anything else about the ROM you can, I guess you could say I'm a newbie.

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nate

2004-02-17 11:32:01 pm

only distributing roms on this forum is forbidden. helping people use roms is okay.

Yoshi348

2004-02-17 11:33:31 pm

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Ready and willing.

I think he's trying to run a ROM without the emulator... you'd need VisualBoyAdvance or whatever. I don't dip into the seedy underworld ;p

Apple Juice

2004-02-18 01:06:24 am

Roms and Emulaters should die, go out and buy it.

Faust

2004-02-18 01:22:22 am

Quote from Apple Juice:

Roms and Emulaters should die, go out and buy it.

Roms and emulators are only a means of easing the hype before a game officially comes out. I think I can say with near certainty that everyone that played the Rom here at M2K2 has since or will subsequently purchase the game.

Roms and emulators are also a convenient means for making movies of your gaming runs if you don't go the Gameboy Player or Flash Card route. I wouldn't even know where to start trying to capture video info from the GBA directly, though I'm sure I'd prefer it to an emulator.

Also in reference to emulators: I'll take the GBA controls over this suckass keyboard anyday.

chinchillax13514

2004-02-18 01:55:27 am

Well, I got it working. It's pretty good...I mean, the game ain't as good as it is on the GBA, but I suppose it's ok. And yeah, this keyboard sucks. Thing is though, I really have no intention of video taping this, so I guess I'm really just playing this till i can finally get it for real. But I kinda doubt that happening actually, or at least until my birthday in the summer. Well...I guess I'll get to Kraid, then see from there. Cause I really don't feel right playing the ROM with no intention to buy the game.

Sarah

2004-02-18 07:03:17 am

I prefer my GBA over an emulator. It's not some kind of Holier Than Thou spiel, either. I never got the Zero Mission ROM mostly due to the facts that I already had the game pre-ordered, and I didn't even have time to play the ROM early because I work a lot. I knew it was out there, and where to get it, but it seemed pointless to get it and beat it since I'd already plunked $30 down on it. I kinda like that "new game magic." Call me old-fashioned. Then again I was playing Metroid Fusion a month before it came out XD

That and I've never felt comfortable using any PC controller I've ever had. And forget even thinking about playing with a keyboard. Urgh.

nate

2004-02-18 10:11:47 am

Quote from Apple Juice:

Roms and Emulaters should die, go out and buy it.

agreed. unless there's something people haven't told me, though, disliking something, especially something inanimate, will never make it go away.

Syl

2004-02-18 10:54:41 am

Quote from Faust:

Quote from Apple Juice:

Roms and Emulaters should die, go out and buy it.

Roms and emulators are only a means of easing the hype before a game officially comes out. I think I can say with near certainty that everyone that played the Rom here at M2K2 has since or will subsequently purchase the game.

Roms and emulators are also a convenient means for making movies of your gaming runs if you don't go the Gameboy Player or Flash Card route. I wouldn't even know where to start trying to capture video info from the GBA directly, though I'm sure I'd prefer it to an emulator.

Also in reference to emulators: I'll take the GBA controls over this suckass keyboard anyday.

owning a rom or emulator is opening the door to more piracy and stealing in the future, stealing is stealing no matter how you try to look at it, and just "borrowing" it for a while is still illegal, next you know you'll be "borrowing" the new pokemon games, or "borrowing" that other game you want thats been out for a while, next thing you know you'll have over 100 100% illegal GBA roms, and theres nothing you could to defend that... This moreso applies to SNES games, but GBA is a bigger issue because the games are still on the market and make a profit for the company that produced them.
I still buy all of my SNES games and GBA games in their actual cartridge, and play them in actual units. I don't own ANY roms or emulators, though at one point i did. (had stuff like chrono trigger, earthbound, super metroid...old stuff that was rare, which i now own the actual cartrdige of and i haven't had an emulator as long as i can remember)

anyway, considering just owning a rom is illegal enough, and stealing, and it damages my favorite market, i just hate it.
(yet, i do have to admit, i have pirated easily over 1000$ of software from microsoft, so im a hypocrite)

[quote="Faust"][quote="Apple Juice"][color=blue]Roms and Emulaters should die, go out and buy it.[/color][/quote]

Roms and emulators are only a means of easing the hype before a game officially comes out.  I think I can say with near certainty that everyone that played the Rom here at M2K2 has since or will subsequently purchase the game.

Roms and emulators are also a convenient means for making movies of your gaming runs if you don't go the Gameboy Player or Flash Card route.  I wouldn't even know where to start trying to capture video info from the GBA directly, though I'm sure I'd prefer it to an emulator.

Also in reference to emulators: I'll take the GBA controls over this suckass keyboard anyday.[/quote]
owning a rom or emulator is opening the door to more piracy and stealing in the future, stealing is stealing no matter how you try to look at it, and just "borrowing" it for a while is still illegal, next you know you'll be "borrowing" the new pokemon games, or "borrowing" that other game you want thats been out for a while, next thing you know you'll have over 100 100% illegal GBA roms, and theres nothing you could to defend that... This moreso applies to SNES games, but GBA is a bigger issue because the games are still on the market and make a profit for the company that produced them.
I still buy all of my SNES games and GBA games in their actual cartridge, and play them in actual units.  I don't own ANY roms or emulators, though at one point i did.  (had stuff like chrono trigger, earthbound, super metroid...old stuff that was rare, which i now own the actual cartrdige of and i haven't had an emulator as long as i can remember)

anyway, considering just owning a rom is illegal enough, and stealing, and it damages my favorite market, i just hate it.
(yet, i do have to admit, i have pirated easily over 1000$ of software from microsoft, so im a hypocrite)

Faust

2004-02-18 01:16:44 pm

Quote from Syl_Aran:

anyway, considering just owning a rom is illegal enough, and stealing, and it damages my favorite market, i just hate it.

You are absolutely right. I recognize the fact that it's wrong and that software piracy should never exist and that designers and publishers should get all the money they deserve, and they sure as hell deserve it, especially for something like Metroid.

I suppose the fact that it's there and I have access to it just leads me to go get it. Unlike other people, I don't care much if a game is "ruined" when an ending is given away before I have a chance to play it or that I beat it in an unintended and illegal format before it's even officially out. I suppose that lends a great deal to my accepting roms and emulators. In all fairness to people who don't share my view and to the people who deserve payment for their work, I suppose I shouldn't propogate the cycle. Even if I d/l the rom with the intention of buying the game, a person I pass the rom on to may not have the same intention, and that's losing companies money, which could lead them to stop making the products I enjoy so much that I go through illegal channels just to get a look at them in the first place. (I hope that made sense)

I've had a philosophy that directly bears on this subject and on software piracy in my head for a while and it goes something like this: "It's not illegal if you don't get caught." I can't seem to unthink it. :(

[quote="Syl_Aran"]anyway, considering just owning a rom is illegal enough, and stealing, and it damages my favorite market, i just hate it.[/quote]

You are absolutely right.  I recognize the fact that it's wrong and that software piracy should never exist and that designers and publishers should get all the money they deserve, and they sure as hell deserve it, especially for something like Metroid.

I suppose the fact that it's there and I have access to it just leads me to go get it. Unlike other people, I don't care much if a game is "ruined" when an ending is given away before I have a chance to play it or that I beat it in an unintended and illegal format before it's even officially out.  I suppose that lends a great deal to my accepting roms and emulators. In all fairness to people who don't share my view and to the people who deserve payment for their work, I suppose I shouldn't propogate the cycle. Even if I d/l the rom with the intention of buying the game, a person I pass the rom on to may not have the same intention, and that's losing companies money, which could lead them to stop making the products I enjoy so much that I go through illegal channels just to get a look at them in the first place.  (I hope that made sense)

I've had a philosophy that directly bears on this subject and on software piracy in my head for a while and it goes something like this: "It's not illegal if you don't get caught."  I can't seem to unthink it.  :(

chinchillax13514

2004-02-18 01:30:30 pm

Well...I really want to get rid of the ROM but considering I probably won't get the game until July is really making it hard to do. I probably will though. But there's still one problem...I've always wanted to play Super Metroid, and I have a very slim chance of ever getting a SNES. But there are emulators...ugh, so confusing. I think I'll just get rid of it and pretend that I never had it. Or, well, if I know I'm gonna get the game, then I might download it again, but only if I'm getting the game. But I guess I'll never play Super Metroid...darnit.

elbryan42

2004-02-18 01:49:02 pm

I prefer the actual GBA cart of Metroid Zero Mission in every way above the emulated ROM. Especially control wise. I have a PSX controller on the PC, so I don't have any complaints, HOWEVER, I find it much easier to contol and master areas on the GBA itself. Heck, even when I used the Gameboy Player, I used the GBA for a controller.

A few years ago, all I used to do was pirate. I have hundreds of PSX games, for example (though oddly enough, I only play the games I own). Though, now I don't even download mp3s. I buy all of my games and cds. The only exception to if I actually use a rom is if I can't find the game, and I'm constantly searching to get my favorite games. I once owned almost a hundred SNES games. I since sold them, and now I'm rebuilding my collection. That reminds me, I should be getting Prince of Persia SNES mint in box on Thursday. A local pawn shop got it in last Thurs, and after the week wait (it's the law) it'll be mine. :)

Kharay1977

2004-02-19 06:44:43 am

I do not particularly condone piracy and/or stealing. However, there are some things to be said for emulators/ROMs.

First of all... emulator coders are amongst the best in their expertise. zSNES works well on as low as a Pentium 1 @ 133 Mhz. Not many other coders take the time to optimize their coding as well as that.

And, additionally... if not for emulators there'd be lots of games I couldn't play. Because of the fact not everything gets released here in Europe. Or worse... outside of Japan.

Seiken Densetsu 3 for example was never released outside of Japan. But, it should have been. Having played a translated ROM of it, I can safely say it is amongst the best RPGs on the SNES. And I am not alone in that opinion. Now tell me, how other than learning Japanese and moving to Japan to land me a copy of a very rare cartridge (VERY RARE) would I have been able to play it?

As far as Zero Mission is concerned. Yes, owning the real cartridge is ofcourse the best thing to do. Also because the GBA way is easier to control than the VBA way. Keyboards aren't as... workable as a GBA. Not for ZM anyhow.

I do not particularly condone piracy and/or stealing. However, there are some things to be said for emulators/ROMs.

First of all... emulator coders are amongst the best in their expertise. zSNES works well on as low as a Pentium 1 @ 133 Mhz. Not many other coders take the time to optimize their coding as well as that.

And, additionally... if not for emulators there'd be lots of games I couldn't play. Because of the fact not everything gets released here in Europe. Or worse... outside of Japan.

Seiken Densetsu 3 for example was never released outside of Japan. But, it should have been. Having played a translated ROM of it, I can safely say it is amongst the best RPGs on the SNES. And I am not alone in that opinion. Now tell me, how other than learning Japanese and moving to Japan to land me a copy of a very rare cartridge (VERY RARE) would I have been able to play it?

As far as Zero Mission is concerned. Yes, owning the real cartridge is ofcourse the best thing to do. Also because the GBA way is easier to control than the VBA way. Keyboards aren't as... workable as a GBA. Not for ZM anyhow.

el jacko

2004-02-19 09:12:52 am

I agree with you that ROMs and emulators should be used for games not outside of Japan - Tales of Phantasia is one of the best games EVAR and if not for emulators I wouldn't know that.

Personally, if you can't get it somehow (ie eBay or stores) or you already own it then the ROM is fine. Otherwise, suck it up and spend a little cash.

Ballaz

2004-02-20 04:58:50 am

Hey guys I had a question related to roms. I have some videos I want to watch but when I try to load them into vba (i have 1.7) it says "save game is using the bios file". Can anyone help?

(btw I do own the game!)

nate

2004-02-20 12:20:51 pm

you will need to come by the m2k2 chat for us to help you with that.

Warlock

2004-02-20 10:13:34 pm

Quote from Kharay:

I do not particularly condone piracy and/or stealing. However, there are some things to be said for emulators/ROMs.

First of all... emulator coders are amongst the best in their expertise. zSNES works well on as low as a Pentium 1 @ 133 Mhz. Not many other coders take the time to optimize their coding as well as that.

And, additionally... if not for emulators there'd be lots of games I couldn't play. Because of the fact not everything gets released here in Europe. Or worse... outside of Japan.

Seiken Densetsu 3 for example was never released outside of Japan. But, it should have been. Having played a translated ROM of it, I can safely say it is amongst the best RPGs on the SNES. And I am not alone in that opinion. Now tell me, how other than learning Japanese and moving to Japan to land me a copy of a very rare cartridge (VERY RARE) would I have been able to play it?

As far as Zero Mission is concerned. Yes, owning the real cartridge is ofcourse the best thing to do. Also because the GBA way is easier to control than the VBA way. Keyboards aren't as... workable as a GBA. Not for ZM anyhow.

Yes, I can't stand playing the Seiken 3 rom because I hate having to use my keyboard for the game. Unfortunately it's the only way you can actually play (and understand) this game outside importing the cart and trying to flash the game to translate it to English (I'm not even sure how you'd go about doing that although it's probably possible). I would really love for this game to be re-released though. It was a masterpiece.

Anyways, as far as I'm concerned, I don't like using roms except out of necessity. This includes games not released here (i.e. Seiken 3), games that are way too old to find (i.e. NES/SNES games - you can't rent these anymore - this doesn't include games I would want to buy though), or games where I want to take screenshots (I love sprites). The movie comments made about GBA games are another good example, although I don't really do that personally.

[quote="Kharay"]I do not particularly condone piracy and/or stealing. However, there are some things to be said for emulators/ROMs.

First of all... emulator coders are amongst the best in their expertise. zSNES works well on as low as a Pentium 1 @ 133 Mhz. Not many other coders take the time to optimize their coding as well as that.

And, additionally... if not for emulators there'd be lots of games I couldn't play. Because of the fact not everything gets released here in Europe. Or worse... outside of Japan.

Seiken Densetsu 3 for example was never released outside of Japan. But, it should have been. Having played a translated ROM of it, I can safely say it is amongst the best RPGs on the SNES. And I am not alone in that opinion. Now tell me, how other than learning Japanese and moving to Japan to land me a copy of a very rare cartridge (VERY RARE) would I have been able to play it?

As far as Zero Mission is concerned. Yes, owning the real cartridge is ofcourse the best thing to do. Also because the GBA way is easier to control than the VBA way. Keyboards aren't as... workable as a GBA. Not for ZM anyhow.[/quote]

Yes, I can't stand playing the Seiken 3 rom because I hate having to use my keyboard for the game.  Unfortunately it's the only way you can actually play (and understand) this game outside importing the cart and trying to flash the game to translate it to English (I'm not even sure how you'd go about doing that although it's probably possible).  I would really love for this game to be re-released though.  It was a masterpiece.

Anyways, as far as I'm concerned, I don't like using roms except out of necessity.  This includes games not released here (i.e. Seiken 3), games that are way too old to find (i.e. NES/SNES games - you can't rent these anymore - this doesn't include games I would want to buy though), or games where I want to take screenshots (I love sprites).  The movie comments made about GBA games are another good example, although I don't really do that personally.

Goofyman

2004-03-09 01:12:08 am

If you are really a rom fanatic, just buy the game and dump it to the PC. Completely legal for your use, and you get to play the rom version!

Super metroid looks about 100x better on the PC than on a standard television. The graphics are crisp, and the game looks like it's brand new.

I just beat SM yesterday (my first time in 4 months, so I naturally missed two items in Brinstar (the missile and PB right next to each other) so i got a 1:45. Still reasonable.

:P

Red Scarlet

2004-03-09 06:13:14 am

I('d) like to watch (some MP3 runs)

Meh..import! That's what I do anyway. >.>

The Last Metroid

2004-03-09 11:12:42 am

If you use ROMs, you are contributing to terrorism. I saw an ad once that told me this.

Soaprman

2004-03-09 12:16:36 pm

shrimp

and white wine

I see nothing morally wrong with downloading ROMs for older games that are no longer attainable (SNES-era and older). They aren't losing money because they're no longer selling the product anyway. All the money they could have made off the game has been made.

Now, on the other hand, if an old game is rereleased then I'll forget the ROM and buy the newly released version. I managed to miss out on River City Ransom the first time around, but it won't happen again. ;)

Oh, and I found a good site for finding ROMs/Emulators. It can be found here. ;)

Syl

2004-03-09 04:44:20 pm

Quote from Goofyman:

Super metroid looks about 100x better on the PC than on a standard television. The graphics are crisp, and the game looks like it's brand new.

:P

I can assure that it looks just as pretty on my TV with an S-Video than it would on my monitor, probably better considering every emulator i've ever seen has horrendous slowdown when you full screen it.

Metroid Prime

2004-03-09 05:23:58 pm

Quote from Syl_Aran:

Quote from Goofyman:

Super metroid looks about 100x better on the PC than on a standard television. The graphics are crisp, and the game looks like it's brand new.

:P

I can assure that it looks just as pretty on my TV with an S-Video than it would on my monitor, probably better considering every emulator i've ever seen has horrendous slowdown when you full screen it.

Yeah, the slowdowns are aggravating (Spell check). TV's have no problem what-so-ever, as far as I know.

Yoshi348

2004-03-09 06:48:02 pm

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Ready and willing.

Quote from Soap on a Rope:

I see nothing morally wrong with downloading ROMs for older games that are no longer attainable (SNES-era and older). They aren't losing money because they're no longer selling the product anyway. All the money they could have made off the game has been made.

You're forgetting about the secondary market, tho... NES games have been pirated peroid without roms, so the only secondary value left is the actual cart anyway, but there's significant amounts of people buying and selling SNES games, who you're stealing money from. Many of them are probably just actual people who are trading in some games for a new one or something.

Eruditious

2004-03-09 10:00:10 pm

Quote from Yoshi348:

... but there's significant amounts of people buying and selling SNES games, who you're stealing money from.

The people buying them are most likely buying them just to own the cart anyways. (Yeah, they are going to play it, unless they are just collecting it)