A trick?

2004-03-21 01:33:26 pm

While working on a 10% run to prepare for my upcoming 1% run, I noticed that charged shots at point blank range have a different graphic and seem to inflict more damage.

Is this known? If not, can it be confirmed? If so, is it useful?

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Metroid Prime

2004-03-21 01:34:14 pm

I've nevr played a 10% run, but that sounds just weird... :?

Radix

2004-03-21 01:36:35 pm

Quote from professor_scissors:

Is this known? If not, can it be confirmed? If so, is it useful?

Yep it's known ... discovered by Sess or Nate I believe, they noticed that a point blank charged shot to the boss doors would get them in one shot, but not from far away.

Toozin

2004-03-21 01:38:31 pm

Not impossible

just highly unlikely

Yes, Sesshoumaru uses this fact to it's fullest in his in-progress 1% run. The 'swoosh' that comes out of your gun upon firing a full charge counts for a hit. So to do full damage to stuff, you gotta make sure the swoosh connects.

savage-monkey

2004-03-21 02:11:02 pm

I will have to do that now for the speed run I'm trying. 12 minutes at first tro save point.

Metroid Prime

2004-03-21 02:13:25 pm

Pretty good Savage_Monkey. I have 11 I think. I can't remember.

professor_scissors

2004-03-21 02:51:57 pm

Quote from MMcLean54:

I've nevr played a 10% run, but that sounds just weird... :?

4 energy tanks, 40 missiles, 10 powerbombs. Think of it as a training-wheels version of the 1% run. Nightmare was still bloody hard.

But now I'm off in 1% land, not shooting for time, just survival. Next up: Serris.

skynes

2004-03-22 11:53:38 am

http://members.lycos.co.uk/metali/gallery%204/Gallery%204%20-%2067.jpg

This site shows it perfectly.
When Fusion Samus fires a charged shot as well as the shot itself there's an additional curved blast downward.

Just goto the site and see for yourself.

nate

2004-03-22 12:03:59 pm

Quote from professor_scissors:

4 energy tanks, 40 missiles, 10 powerbombs. Think of it as a training-wheels version of the 1% run. Nightmare was still bloody hard.

lol ...

Alec

2004-03-22 01:14:53 pm

Nightmare should be a breeze with 40 missiles (it takes less than that to kill him I believe). Myself is down to losing 2 tanks against him. Usually 4 though ;)

fractic

2004-03-22 04:14:42 pm

Quote from skynes:

http://members.lycos.co.uk/metali/gallery%204/Gallery%204%20-%2067.jpg

This site shows it perfectly.
When Fusion Samus fires a charged shot as well as the shot itself there's an additional curved blast downward.

Just goto the site and see for yourself.

good picture Skynes. I wonder if it should be considered a bug. On one hand they had to put code there to make it do damage.
On the other hand. Maybe it was easier codewise to make that swoop a bullet. who knows Rolling Eyes

professor_scissors

2004-03-22 06:24:59 pm

Quote from Alec:

Nightmare should be a breeze with 40 missiles (it takes less than that to kill him I believe). Myself is down to losing 2 tanks against him. Usually 4 though ;)

I'm really dreading this fight on 1%... once he starts getting fast in the third part of the fight, is there any way to reliably avoid him?

1% Update: Barrier-Core defeated. Next up: Whatever you fight in ARC. I forget.

Wassup Dawgs

2004-03-22 06:36:55 pm

With my programming experience, i think it would be harder to make it a bullet.

nate

2004-03-22 10:27:41 pm

Quote from professor_scissors:

1% Update: Barrier-Core defeated. Next up: Whatever you fight in ARC. I forget.

the cold.

Yoshi348

2004-03-22 10:29:42 pm

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Ready and willing.

Quote from njahnke:

Quote from professor_scissors:

1% Update: Barrier-Core defeated. Next up: Whatever you fight in ARC. I forget.

the cold.

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Toozin

2004-03-22 11:26:49 pm

Not impossible

just highly unlikely

Quote from fractic:

I wonder if it should be considered a bug.

Um, no.

fractic

2004-03-23 10:14:03 am

Quote from Wassup Dawgs:

With my programming experience, i think it would be harder to make it a bullet.

are you sure? by making it a somewhat stationary bullet you have to wory about a lot less to make it have the right color. And you don't have to make it a separate animation instead its a bullet object. I'm not so sure if it is harder I've got quite some experience aswell.

Wassup Dawgs

2004-03-23 10:43:33 am

Quote from fractic:

Quote from Wassup Dawgs:

With my programming experience, i think it would be harder to make it a bullet.

are you sure? by making it a somewhat stationary bullet you have to wory about a lot less to make it have the right color. And you don't have to make it a separate animation instead its a bullet object. I'm not so sure if it is harder I've got quite some experience aswell.

It might just depend on your style of programming. No one programs the same. They way I see it, you have the bullet sprite moving right, and the flare sprite near your gun. You would have the flare sprite there in either case (bullet or no bullet). Making it a bullet, however, requires you to add extra code for the damage at close range, checking the range, making sure the bullet passes through the enemy if the flare kills it, etc.

Making it the correct color would only require just a simple line or two of code too. Something about when you beam changes, don't just change the beam, but change the flare too.

[quote="fractic"][quote="Wassup Dawgs"]With my programming experience, i think it would be harder to make it a bullet.[/quote]

are you sure? by making it a somewhat stationary bullet you have to wory about a lot less to make it have the right color. And you don't have to make it a separate animation instead its a bullet object. I'm not so sure if it is harder I've got quite some experience aswell.[/quote]

It might just depend on your style of programming. No one programs the same.  They way I see it, you have the bullet sprite moving right, and the flare sprite near your gun.  You would have the flare sprite there in either case (bullet or no bullet).  Making it a bullet, however, requires you to add extra code for the damage at close range, checking the range, making sure the bullet passes through the enemy if the flare kills it, etc.

Making it the correct color would only require just a simple line or two of code too.  Something about when you beam changes, don't just change the beam, but change the flare too.

trh

2004-03-23 10:51:13 am

Isnt it faster/better to use charge on Ridley? :?

nate

2004-03-23 12:14:56 pm

Quote from TRH:

Isnt it faster/better to use charge on Ridley? :?

yes, it is. there was some contention about this on this forum in the past, but i've pretty much settled it in my run this time. i still need to confirm if hitting him with a diagonal shot (i.e. 45°) causes more damage than shooting straight up through him, which is decidedly easier because you shouldn't hit the tail unless your aim is crap.

but yeah, short answer: yes.

Alec

2004-03-23 01:13:28 pm

*steals topic* Yay yet another new personal record :D Down to 1:37 (just like Radix37) and a whole 5 minutes better than my last record.

nate

2004-03-23 03:11:14 pm

Quote from Alec:

*steals topic* Yay yet another new personal record :D Down to 1:37 (just like Radix37) and a whole 5 minutes better than my last record.

what percent? also, please don't cross post. i've bumped the fusion best times topic so you can post your improvements in there in the future.

Alec

2004-03-23 03:49:32 pm

Quote from njahnke:

Quote from Alec:

*steals topic* Yay yet another new personal record :D Down to 1:37 (just like Radix37) and a whole 5 minutes better than my last record.

what percent? also, please don't cross post. i've bumped the fusion best times topic so you can post your improvements in there in the future.

100%. Watched DaveB's run segment by segment and tried to duplicate it. Didn't go very smoothly.

Sorry for posting it in the wrong place. I'll come back with a new time instead :)