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http://www.samus.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?p=40623#40623

Cool huh?
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Ready and willing.
Now someone has to try the virilialess magmore run.
one time my grandpa told me about when his sheep were killed by the sasquatch, and i thought that was pretty cool, too.
Kip has already done one: http://www.metroid2002.com/kip/phen_doesn't_hurt_you_geez.avi

If kip ends up with only 3 energy, you have no chance!

Edit: LOL Nate
Oh, it's that guy
wow, did kip save that run? or did he get killed by a fuck?

well, we are on to something...
Sorry, I am in the dark. What are the implications of a legal VMR? Does it mean less than 22% or faster completion times?
nah, since you still have to get those three tanks, it would still be a "novelty skip varia" game. that's why i don't appear too excited - even if it were true, it wouldn't mean much of anything for the community.

btw, i'm only a few miles to your east at the moment. hi. ;)
It does present a no boss run. No mini-boss is out of the question though since there's the Incinerator Drone, countless ghosts, etc.
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Ready and willing.
What about Flaggy? Don't you have to off him before the room will respawn to the artifact?
Oh, it's that guy
...ouch, yoshi got rid of that possibility...

well, other then flahrgra...its a no boss run...

(say, what happends when you go in from behind...)
I('d) like to watch (some MP3 runs)
Oh wow, kinda like a code I know to make lava do no damage, as well as another code in the game so that phazon does no damage, either.  8)
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What about Flaggy? Don't you have to off him before the room will respawn to the artifact?


2 things I can say to that:
a) It's a NB run so you're trying to get every item, not beat the game :P.
b) Going to Sunchamber backwards spawns the ghosts no matter what.
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b) Going to Sunchamber backwards spawns the ghosts no matter what.


So that would mean Flaggy and ghosts at the same time=Annoying. Shocked  Evil or Very Mad  :x  :P
no, flaahgra isn't there iirc, so you screw yourself out of the varia suit that way.
That doesn't make sense to me. :x

If you go in backwards, does the Poisonous water arond Chozo Ruins return to normal automaticaly?
Oh, it's that guy
you know what else? if Thardus is a boss, and he has the spider ball...and you need the spider ball to get in to the...so...i...for one...think that a NB run is impossable becuase to skip flaagy, you need Thardus to get artifact...
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*coughsess'oldbombjumpmethodcough*
Morchant has a point. You're never up the top of the Sunchamber so that artifact would be impossible to get. 1 less percent for that NB run I guess
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nah, since you still have to get those three tanks, it would still be a "novelty skip varia" game. that's why i don't appear too excited - even if it were true, it wouldn't mean much of anything for the community.

btw, i'm only a few miles to your east at the moment. hi. ;)


I noticed that....I graduated high school ('97) just to the South of you in Rose Hill.  Small world!
You guys would have to think of the difficulty of getting expansions in Magmoor Caverns since you skip Varia.

EDIT:You'd have no wave beam as well which would make things harder.
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Morchant has a point. You're never up the top of the Sunchamber so that artifact would be impossible to get. 1 less percent for that NB run I guess


Whoopsie... I was thinking of skipping supers, not skipping spider. Guess you're right.
Strategy Guide Writer
I might as well help clear up some of this uncertainty regarding the VMR run and the MP NBMB run...

I believe that a 3 tank run is possible. It's an amazing thing to comprehend, but evevn Kip's run was far from optimum.  Bboytide and LeCoureur have been discussing this on and off and LeCoureur always believed that a 3 tank run was possible with the right techniques and the correct replenishments collected mid-run.

With regards to the NBMB run (of which I am currently working on, with recorded segments), as with EVERY Metroid NBMB run, there will always be acceptions to the rule. SM lets you off with a few mini-bosses simply because it would be impossible to collect the bombs and do anything useful otherwise.

So far (and it's still under discussion), Parasite Queen, Incenerator Drone and Sheegoth before Wavebeam are allowed. The HOTE Chozo Ghost is under debate as well as to whether or not it will be acceptable to fight on a run (it CAN be bypassed, but we're still looking at it).

A NBMB run is certainly very feasable, but it's REALLY only for those who can be bothered working with Secret Worlds as they WILL be used quite extensively to aquire some of the more elusive items (such as the etank BEHIND OP without fighting him).

oh, and with regards to getting up the suntower wfrom the bootom WITHOUT the spiderball? Simple. Jump into a SW, work your way to that room, bomb jump UP the wall (where the spider track is), get to the top or float up near the top and door warp back in to fight the ghosts for that artifact... Twisted Evil
Not impossible
just highly unlikely
3 tank Varialess? Not bloody likely. That's what they've been trying for over a year now, until that 4th tank was found.

Yeah. Not likely.
"...oh, and with regards to getting up the suntower wfrom the bootom WITHOUT the spiderball? Simple. Jump into a SW, work your way to that room, bomb jump UP the wall (where the spider track is), get to the top or float up near the top and door warp back in to fight the ghosts for that artifact..." Andrew Mills

I've never tried SWs before. I'm just trying to improve my best speed run. So my question is...how long would it take to get up the tower, assuming I'm experienced and efficient at this technique?
Also, do you know if SW videos will ever be put up here?
What luck, there's french fry stuck in my beard.
Proof please.  Just saying it's possible isn't enough.