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Snytbaggen

2005-04-24 07:51:50 am

Scarlet: Nice try. Wink

Mangadood: Ever heard of a scanner? Wink

Gleep: I haven't seen it, but have you ever heard of a thing called "emulators"? Wink

transience

2005-04-24 08:00:48 am

twenty eight fifty

I think I've gotten questions pertaining to everything but the actual run :)

my friend was like 'whoa, that'd be awesome if you were able to get your time posted, here's my gamecube and gameboy player and link cable.' so yeah, he rules. if you mean how I recorded it, I just recorded it with a vcr and sent it to nate.

gleepdiddly

2005-04-24 10:52:12 am

Well the vid is slow for me, and I can't hear the sound, so I keep thinking it was done on emu.If you could make it better, i'll belive you all I can.

JaggerG

2005-04-24 06:52:04 pm

Shifty Leader

That M2k2 guy

XD

Okay, I just assume that since Radix accepted it, it's not emulated. Gleep, did you have the low quality version or something? What do you mean "slow?"

Also, I'm still not really convinced that Ridley first is faster. I mean, There's that first huge Norfair room you spark through twice, a neat ball-sparking between the shafts of brinstar, leaving Ridley's area, you can spark over that etank that you probably don't really need, and I'm sure you can spark up the Ridley-first-shaft, too.That might save some time as well, although you won't get hi-jump (spelled so by the booklet). But if you think about it, Hello-Jump might not really be that necessary. The detour you need to take for it probably negates the time saved. There aren't THAT many tunnels you need to bomb up through or shafts to space jump through.

transience

2005-04-24 07:48:27 pm

twenty eight fifty

Quote from gleepdiddly:

Well the vid is slow for me, and I can't hear the sound, so I keep thinking it was done on emu.If you could make it better, i'll belive you all I can.

might I suggest the following interventions:

1.) rebooting your computer;
2.) turning your speakers on;
3.) buying a computer made after 1996

as for Kraid before Ridley, I don't think so. the IBJ takes at least ten seconds longer than the power grip way, you wouldn't have any more ammo for Ridley, Kraid would take longer, and all the sparks you speak of don't save more than a second or two. sparking up the Ridley shaft (assuming it's possible) means skipping hello-jump (which is absolutely vital). if you want to try doing it all with an emulator to see if it's actually faster, I'd be curious.

the one thing about Kraid first that interests me is the super missile in Brinstar. if you had speed booster there, you could get 40/6 instead of 50/4 for Tourian, which wouldn't save more than a couple of seconds on item acquisition but would make mother brain faster and Tourian easier. on the other hand, going from Tourian to the end would prove to be tricky with only 40 missiles. I suppose you could still get the super missile in Chozodia and shoot robots that way, though.

[quote="gleepdiddly"]Well the vid is slow for me, and I can't hear the sound, so I keep thinking it was done on emu.If you could make it better, i'll belive you all I can.[/quote]

might I suggest the following interventions:

1.) rebooting your computer;
2.) turning your speakers on;
3.) buying a computer made after 1996

as for Kraid before Ridley, I don't think so. the IBJ takes at least ten seconds longer than the power grip way, you wouldn't have any more ammo for Ridley, Kraid would take longer, and all the sparks you speak of don't save more than a second or two.  sparking up the Ridley shaft (assuming it's possible) means skipping hello-jump (which is absolutely vital). if you want to try doing it all with an emulator to see if it's actually faster, I'd be curious.

the one thing about Kraid first that interests me is the super missile in Brinstar.  if you had speed booster there, you could get 40/6 instead of 50/4 for Tourian, which wouldn't save more than a couple of seconds on item acquisition but would make mother brain faster and Tourian easier. on the other hand, going from Tourian to the end would prove to be tricky with only 40 missiles. I suppose you could still get the super missile in Chozodia and shoot robots that way, though.

JaggerG

2005-04-24 07:58:36 pm

Shifty Leader

That M2k2 guy

Actually, you can then get supers in Crateria and spark right back. You can then get the supers in the fireball room thing, then continue on to get the 6th supers before you get to Ridley. You may even have 8 for Tourian if you really want the supers in brinstar.

Don't you have to backtrack for the second super tank in Ridley? How long does that take, hmm? :P I usually have like 10 missiles for the Kraid fight anyways (possibly more depending on what missiles you decide to pick up). I can use like 7 of them before he closes his fat mouth, and then three every time he opens up again. It's possible that it may waste time.

Also, I noticed that you stopped to shoot the fireballs in the Ridley fight. You can just run inside Ridley and pummel relentlessly at him and he'll die before he gets off the ground. Just so you know. AJ said he did it in his 100% hard run.

Ekarderif

2005-04-24 08:02:09 pm

The question is would that be faster? 50/4 is pretty much ideal already, and grabbing 30/8 would maybe save 5 seconds. 40/6 you get a chance to skip supers in Chozodia, but that'd require getting it early so the save is nullified (not only that but the ones in Chozodia are the fastest to grab anyways).

transience

2005-04-24 08:04:50 pm

twenty eight fifty

Quote from JaggerG:

Actually, you can then get supers in Crateria and spark right back. You can then get the supers in the fireball room thing, then continue on to get the 6th supers before you get to Ridley. You may even have 8 for Tourian if you really want the supers in brinstar.

I'm not sure how I forgot that one.. anyway, if it were me, I'd get one of them and just skip the other, saving about 10-15 seconds. but still, I don't think it's worth it. if you can prove me wrong, go for it. I'd test it out, but I can't HBJ at all.

edit: 30/8 would be a mistake, because you need more than 30 missiles for chozodia. 40/6 sounds better to me. the only problem with this is that the missiles you'd want to skip are the ones you need to kill Ridley; taking Ridley on with 30/4 would be a pain. also, unless you have wayyy more skills than I do, you'd need to save before the IBJ. if you can go from the kraid to Tourian under the current setup, awesome, but if you need to save again, tack five more seconds on.

[quote="JaggerG"]Actually, you can then get supers in Crateria and spark right back. You can then get the supers in the fireball room thing, then continue on to get the 6th supers before you get to Ridley. You may even have 8 for Tourian if you really want the supers in brinstar.[/quote]

I'm not sure how I forgot that one.. anyway, if it were me, I'd get one of them and just skip the other, saving about 10-15 seconds. but still, I don't think it's worth it. if you can prove me wrong, go for it. I'd test it out, but I can't HBJ at all.

edit: 30/8 would be a mistake, because you need more than 30 missiles for chozodia. 40/6 sounds better to me. the only problem with this is that the missiles you'd want to skip are the ones you need to kill Ridley; taking Ridley on with 30/4 would be a pain. also, unless you have wayyy more skills than I do, you'd need to save before the IBJ. if you can go from the kraid to Tourian under the current setup, awesome, but if you need to save again, tack five more seconds on.

JaggerG

2005-04-24 08:34:28 pm

Shifty Leader

That M2k2 guy

Okay...can anyone explain to me how the hell I managed to post that message 22 minutes before I clicked submit?

arkarian

2005-04-24 08:39:30 pm

red chamber dream

That's phpBB for ya. I guess it messed up, I dunno.

SkippyJr

2005-04-25 02:27:36 pm

I watched and thoroughly enjoyed your run. It was refreshing to see newer tricks utilized (like the outer vine on spore spawn). The defining moment (for me anyways) was that you were able to pull off that ballspark at the end. The necessary zipline skips also nicely highlighted your talent.

As for questions about this run: How many times did you play through to pull of this masterpiece? Where there any particular places where good runs ended/had to be ended?

Best of luck on your segmented run. I cannot wait so see what you can pull off! BTW, have you thought about how many/which saves you will take?

transience

2005-04-25 02:49:40 pm

twenty eight fifty

thanks - I'm on the last segment, segment five of my run right now. it's giving me fits due to some luck-based stuff that's not going my way, but with luck it'll be finished in the next couple of days, assuming I get time to play.

the single-segment run is a pain in the neck to pull off successfully. others may not feel the same, but I find them much more impressive than a segmented run with a much lower time; there is so much luck involved in running ZM and doing it single-segment removes your ability to manipulate that. I've died on Ridley, missed Kraid with super missiles (I'm not sure how this happened), missed the zipline skip, died in Tourian, had a couple of runs totally ruined because the rinkas wouldn't give me a super missile for over 45 seconds, died on mother brain, and died a few times trying to go fast without recharging in chozodia. (you have no idea how nervous you get when one hit will kill a single segment run)

the worst one I had was a run better than the 29:58, where I missed a super missile on mecha ridley and jumped and shot missiles repeatedly until he died. once he died I said to myself "oh my god, I have two missiles. I can't shoot that robot. I am so freaking stupid," after I finished the run (30:32), I went and rewatched it: I had lost ten seconds on mecha ridley and twenty-eight waiting for the stupid robot to move, so you can do the math and see what kind of time I would have had.

thanks - I'm on the last segment, segment five of my run right now. it's giving me fits due to some luck-based stuff that's not going my way, but with luck it'll be finished in the next couple of days, assuming I get time to play.

the single-segment run is a pain in the neck to pull off successfully. others may not feel the same, but I find them much more impressive than a segmented run with a much lower time; there is so much luck involved in running ZM and doing it single-segment removes your ability to manipulate that. I've died on Ridley, missed Kraid with super missiles (I'm not sure how this happened), missed the zipline skip, died in Tourian, had a couple of runs totally ruined because the rinkas wouldn't give me a super missile for over 45 seconds, died on mother brain, and died a few times trying to go fast without recharging in chozodia. (you have no idea how nervous you get when one hit will kill a single segment run)

the worst one I had was a run better than the 29:58, where I missed a super missile on mecha ridley and jumped and shot missiles repeatedly until he died. once he died I said to myself "oh my god, I have two missiles. I can't shoot that robot. I am so freaking stupid," after I finished the run (30:32), I went and rewatched it: I had lost ten seconds on mecha ridley and twenty-eight waiting for the stupid robot to move, so you can do the math and see what kind of time I would have had.

Acheron's_Grief

2005-04-25 02:51:08 pm

hell... and i was so glad when i got my own any% sub-hour 8)

anywayz, its a rl nice run... mother brain always gives me grief in my hard runs, u defeat her/it with only 2 E-tanks... the speedboosting after defeating mb is a truly nice trick too, especially if you dont have the hi jump...

btw, about the emulator stuff... where do i get it?

mangadood

2005-04-25 02:55:28 pm

Too many fangirls to count

I'd tell you, but then they'd have to kill me.

graveworm

2005-04-25 03:10:44 pm

Quote from transience:

and died a few times trying to go fast without recharging in chozodia. (you have no idea how nervous you get when one hit will kill a single segment run)

Oh, yes I do. Too nervous. I usually, or always only pick up the energy tank in the beginning, I'm always nervous. I always just run through the rooms, so I'm just as nervous in any other room, thinking about what would happen if I missed a missile.

JaggerG

2005-04-25 04:13:02 pm

Shifty Leader

That M2k2 guy

Quote from Acheron's_Grief:

btw, about the emulator stuff... where do i get it?

Emulators are highly frowned upon in these boards. It's also against the rules to ask for or link to ROMs, and there's not much point in getting a system without a game, huh? Just don't worry about it. Unless you think that's how he recorded it, in which case we'd be forced to take you out back and beat you, then post saying that he didn't.

Skreemaster

2005-04-25 04:39:28 pm

I'll be back. Maybe...

There is one (1) way to use the emulator legally, which, as of the 17th, is one I can use: Get the game, get equipment for dumping the game to ROM, dump the game to ROM yourself, from your own game. Then it is legal to use the ROM. I think that is the method most people use. I'm certainly going to use it once I can find my games...

If you do find ROMsites that don't have porn popups aplenty or forced voting, they are completely illegal, and the 24 hour thing is a lie.

I think that's correct, I might be mistaken.

JaggerG

2005-04-25 05:50:02 pm

Shifty Leader

That M2k2 guy

you're wrong. There are never enough porn pop-ups. >_>

* JaggerG runs

arkarian

2005-04-25 08:17:15 pm

red chamber dream

You're correct, AFAIK.
Except for what JaggerG said, of course. Rolling Eyes

nate

2005-04-26 01:07:01 am

Quote from Skreemaster:

There is one (1) way to use the emulator legally, which, as of the 17th, is one I can use: Get the game, get equipment for dumping the game to ROM, dump the game to ROM yourself, from your own game. Then it is legal to use the ROM. I think that is the method most people use. I'm certainly going to use it once I can find my games...

If you do find ROMsites that don't have porn popups aplenty or forced voting, they are completely illegal, and the 24 hour thing is a lie.

I think that's correct, I might be mistaken.

in the jurisdiction of the united states of america, as far as i know, all of the above is correct.

Skreemaster

2005-04-26 05:56:21 am

I'll be back. Maybe...

I need to check what English law says though, but it's probably the same.

Frozen Mr. Toastbrot

2005-04-26 08:40:30 am

I'd bet my left arm that German law wouldn't allow this. Then again I'd bet my right arm that German law is so confused that it would be allowed anyway. So what do we learn? Never bet your arms.

And to stay on topic: It was the first MZM run I've seen, and I like it quite a lot. Well done.

Skreemaster

2005-04-26 08:55:23 am

I'll be back. Maybe...

I'd bet my third arm that you win both arms in those bets. Not that you don't have them already.