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arkarian:
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so kip, trebor, a few others, and i have been talking a lot recently about trying to solve 21%. our main focus has been skipping varia suit under low% conditions - the only obstacle currently preventing that is the first trip to phendrana, unless we're forgetting something. one idea we came up with was to somehow get wave before going to phen. that would open up an alternate magmoor path to phendrana with few heated rooms to worry about. the obvious way to possibly get wave was to pick up wavebuster and see if that did anything. it was highly unlikely, but it seemed worth checking out.

even though i knew that ice spreader without ice has been achieved via flickerball, i wanted to try this anyway, in case not having charge beam made a difference. during my attempts i became aware of people from scu getting tower of light (where w.buster resides) to load with wave beam, but not without. so i don't think this has been done before, but i might be wrong.

below are the videos of my exploits, recorded with my tiny video recorder. i apologize in advance for the sporadic .mov vids, crap quality, and almost total lack of sound. hopefully they're entertaining:

this is just traveling to tol access. easy stuff:
http://samuel.arkarian.org/wavebuster_before_wave/ruined_shrine_to_tol_access.mov

getting tol to "secretize" is tougher than it looks. this vid's from before i knew what secret rooms were; tol is secretized in this vid, as i can lock onto enemies. it was much harder to reproduce this later:
http://samuel.arkarian.org/wavebuster_before_wave/tol_lockon.avi

tol is apparently a legendary bitch to load. this is why afaik people thought you needed wave here. as it turns out, you don't, but it took me a long time to finally get tol to pop into visible existence. i tried strafing off the top of the door (the usual method to load a room), banging samus's head into the bottom of the door (that works too for most other rooms), and everything else i could think of. finally, i jumped randomly from the top of the door, straight up, and tol appeared. i don't have a vid of this because of how sudden it happened, but here's immediately after:
http://samuel.arkarian.org/wavebuster_before_wave/tol_no_wave.mov

next i waited for an hour while samus floated to the top of tol. once there, i ibj'd a bit to get to the center of the ceiling. here's just some of that - it was a pain to unmorph and stay unmorphed, as the invisible walls liked to push me back into a ball.
http://samuel.arkarian.org/wavebuster_before_wave/tol_ibj.avi

turns out the ceiling is entirely solid. i'm hoping to find a clipping glitch:
http://samuel.arkarian.org/wavebuster_before_wave/tol_top.avi

more fiddling around:
http://samuel.arkarian.org/wavebuster_before_wave/tol_top_2.avi

finally, i drop into tol:
http://samuel.arkarian.org/wavebuster_before_wave/tol_sw_into_tol.avi

i miss the dash. to be fair, i had never climbed tol in this manner before, so after quite a bit of practice i finally made it up to wavebuster:
http://samuel.arkarian.org/wavebuster_before_wave/wavebuster_get.avi



... and it does nothing. oh well!
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Toozin:
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Can you not use an AR to test if Wavebuster without Wave will even do anything? Might be nice to know if it's futile or not before putting lots of effort into it.
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Servin' you realness!!
What happens when you get ice-spreader before ice ?
Quietus:
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Super Secret Area - Dead Ahead!
Or Prime 2 before Prime..?aiwebs_017

I agree with Toozin about testing before the investing of time.

I'd love to see this done, as it's been an elusive bugger for an age, and it seems impossible to be so, since the game has been so ripped open with secret worlds and stuff.
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What happens when you get ice-spreader before ice ?

same thing - nothing.
Jerry9:
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heh, cool.  too bad it doesn't work.  now we just need to add morph ball before bombs to the list of pointless sequence breaks
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maybe flamethrower gives you plasma though who knows!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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now we just need to add morph ball before bombs to the list of pointless sequence breaks

before missiles you mean? or bombs before ball? both were done years ago.
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at least the devs were intelligent and didn't assume you would have wave if you were able to get wavebuster early. *glares at OoT's magic arrows*
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lol ... i wouldn't exactly call them intelligent. it doesn't really make sense for buster to give you wave, but knowing retro, it was certainly possible.
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"As seen below, collecting the Wavebuster before obatining the Wavebeam causes nothing.

Discovered by arkarian"

Congratulations!
arkarian:
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heh, yeah i know nate's got plenty of time on his hands, so i'm sure he'll add this to the site soon.
tate:
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For future reference, you can lock your view without locking onto enemies by partially pressing down L. Did you guys confirm obtaining the two artifacts in magmoor without varia that are in heated rooms? In the pillar and at the top of workstation.
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now we just need to add morph ball before bombs to the list of pointless sequence breaks

before missiles you mean? or bombs before ball? both were done years ago.

oops, I put them in the wrong order.  I meant to write morph ball bombs before morph ball.  I thought this one was still stuck at moving the map over to Burn Dome Access.
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Quote from tate:
For future reference, you can lock your view without locking onto enemies by partially pressing down L. Did you guys confirm obtaining the two artifacts in magmoor without varia that are in heated rooms? In the pillar and at the top of workstation.

yep, phazon suit prevents heat damage.

thanks for the tip about the l button - i'm sure i knew that at one point but forgot it over the years.
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nate's got plenty of time on his hands

So that's why he appears to be posting more frequently?!

But seriously, nice job anyways. Really too bad the reward turned out to be quite non-existant.
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Ive already tried to get wavebuster before wave beam to. I used the floaty jump to get on top, but never managed to get into the room. Congrats on getting it, to bad it doest do a damn thing..
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i was talking with arkarian on irc while he was doing this, so i decided to try it with the charge beam. i got it today, and of course it doesn't do anything.
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we really need to come up with something else to try (even if it's pointless). it's a shame we're so close to skipping varia but haven't solved it yet.
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is the problem getting to phendrana? because it would involve going through the heated part of magmoor?
arkarian:
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the only obstacle is getting to phendrana for the first time (because we need to go there to get wave).
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aren't there other ways to get to phendrana? we could probably check places that could be secret worlded around to get there.
arkarian:
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right, that's what i'm saying. the point of trying to get early wave from wavebuster was so we could take the tallon west elevator down to magmoor and go to phendrana via the elevator off magmoor workstation. everything from geo core south is not heated, so no varia is not a problem on that route, assuming we can make it through twin fires fast enough. the problem is all the wave doors in your way.
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I remember a time when using secret worlds for anything wasn't even considered. Now they're all that's left.
arkarian:
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yeah i think it's a real shame, but hey, it's something to do i guess.