Unlimited Possibilities

arkarian:

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arkarian

2009-08-15 12:39:15 pm

mindfulness

fully erect

if yall agree to call it the flickerball, i'll sticky this topic.

DragonRidley:

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DragonRidley

2009-08-16 10:46:24 am

Evil Innocence.

Forgive me if this is a stupid question, but what does "sticky topic" mean?

Jerry9:

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Jerry9

2009-08-16 11:05:15 am

not evil,just hungry

it's a common forum feature that will keep a topic at the top of the first page to make it easier to find.

IaIaPazuzu:

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IaIaPazuzu

2009-08-16 03:55:18 pm

So, what, the game can be beaten in as little as an hour and a half now? :p

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BioSpark

2009-08-16 03:59:16 pm

hʌŋ laɪk

ə hɔːrs

?

the game has been beaten in 1:03, and the video is almost 2 hours long.

unless you're thinking that this trick has been used for speedtricks, i don't think it has.

Gu3st:

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Gu3st

2009-08-17 01:04:20 am

Jagger ftw

I think stefan used IS to get the chozo ice temple artifact in his wr run, but thats it.

DragonRidley:

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DragonRidley

2009-08-17 11:37:15 am

Evil Innocence.

So is it actually faster to get the artifact that go back and collect it? What If you go through Phendrana Shoreline later on anyways?

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StefanvanDijke

2009-08-20 02:25:57 pm

In a PAL single segment speedrun you can either do the thardus jump or pick up early sun with IS. I think both are equally fast but early sun is earlier in the game in case you screw up and the thardus jump in a single segment would be sick.

Mooch:

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Mooch

2009-08-21 06:13:57 am

Quote from DragonRidley:

What's IP?

Typo -- meant IS. Fixed.

DragonRidley:

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DragonRidley

2009-08-21 12:03:42 pm

Evil Innocence.

Quote from StefanvanDijke:

In a PAL single segment speedrun you can either do the thardus jump or pick up early sun with IS. I think both are equally fast but early sun is earlier in the game in case you screw up and the thardus jump in a single segment would be sick.

What does thardus jump have to do with it?

Baby Sheegoth:

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Baby Sheegoth

2009-08-21 02:21:56 pm

He's talking about how doing a thardus dash back to Sun and grabbing sun with IS is the same time roughly, but Thardus dash has the horrible chance of cocking itself up, so early Sun would be feasible.

DragonRidley:

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DragonRidley

2009-08-21 09:42:32 pm

Evil Innocence.

Would fighting Thardus count? I fight him anyway since I can't manage MQA without spiderball.

Baby Sheegoth:

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Baby Sheegoth

2009-08-22 11:12:43 am

He's talking about a low % run which would include you NOT obtaining spider.

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DragonRidley

2009-08-22 04:23:36 pm

Evil Innocence.

ok, I was just thinking about a casual run.
I might see about going under 60%

Baby Sheegoth:

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Baby Sheegoth

2009-08-22 07:47:57 pm

22% run: do it. It's fun as hell.

DragonRidley:

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DragonRidley

2009-08-23 01:21:06 pm

Evil Innocence.

A 50% run would probably be cutting close for me. At my skill level a 22% run would be beyond impossible.

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UchihaSasuke

2009-08-23 02:45:56 pm

my umbrella goes directly to Bankai

50% seems like too many expansions. i think you could get around 40% and still have plenty of tanks/missiles.

Phazar:

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Phazar

2009-09-08 04:29:37 pm

...

TBH, I usually average around 45% in my any% runs. You don't want too many expansions because it just wastes time. Grab the extra Energy Tank or two if you need it, but try to improve yourself until you don't need those extra tanks.

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Baby Sheegoth

2009-09-08 05:16:42 pm

Zero Etanks and 45 missiles is about the most proper setup. Any less missiles and MP1Form will be a bitch, any more and you've watsed too much time.

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Odylg

2009-11-21 03:14:50 am

Waiting takes too long

Quote from DragonRidley:

So is it actually faster to get the artifact that go back and collect it? What If you go through Phendrana Shoreline later on anyways?

i'm pretty sure on ntsc (assuming that's what you play, dunno if it's same on pal) it's faster to not use flickerball by about 30 seconds. you pass by there on the way back from thardus anyway, and it takes about a minute to deviate from the route back to magmoor and grab the artifact. with flickerball being used it takes between 1 and 1 1/2 minutes of spinning. i dunno, maybe my timing was off, maybe it takes up to a minute and a half because my game is scratched or something. in my experience using flickerball is about 30 seconds slower. i'll leave it at that

bartendorsparky:

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bartendorsparky

2009-11-23 11:48:44 am

always move fast

iirc it takes one minute and 4 seconds from the start of the spin to activating the flickerball (assuming you have the right angle). i think routewise doing it in phendrana is faster, but with the normal route there is then no good time to collect ice spreader. ice spreader saves more time than flickerball saves, so overall flickerball there is slower.

AJAX:

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AJAX

2009-11-26 07:55:15 am

“Well done is better than well said”

I'm not saying anybody's wrong but my times have been going down every time i do the Phendrana flickerball trick. But Iv'e also been doing riskier and harder tricks though. Thanks to Zoid, StefanvanDijke, Kip and Sparky's runs (among others)for guidance. I know what you mean about the Ice Spreader. I thought I was forgeting it. Also In Bartendorspaky's test run, is that a bsj in control tower? To escape the fallen tower? What was the end time in the last segment completed? It's a really nice run.

bartendorsparky:

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bartendorsparky

2009-11-26 10:15:43 am

always move fast

in control tower it's just a tbj out of the hole. sometimes the camera goes wonky so you get an instant unmorph, but other times it works fine. first done in trebor's 22% 1:18 i believe. i forget what the exact save time is, but with a ridley fight with the fly-by skip and a not-terrible prime fight, it would've ended with a 1:02. those last two segments are boring though so it doesn't matter.

AJAX:

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AJAX

2009-11-27 02:08:17 pm

“Well done is better than well said”

I'm missing segment 6 Of the bartendorsparky "test run". I wish I had that.

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UchihaSasuke

2009-11-29 04:17:05 am

my umbrella goes directly to Bankai

as far as i know, flickerball was used in the PAL SS run to completely cut the thardus dash from the run since that was a run-killing trick. it loses time but makes the whole thing a lot more safe.