TAS discussion

2007-10-17 09:36:14 am

I like Big Butts and I can not lie

Quote from Fano7:

Is it better to play on a headered or unheader rom?

Headers are useless and are only a necessity when playing the game on the SNES. The header doesn't really matter unless you're doing some hacking, in which case it's better to use an unheadered ROM

Cpadolf:

registered on 2007-02-14 03:32:46 am.

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2007-10-17 01:07:38 pm

Hurr Durr

Quote from ICheatAtGolf:

I would say do the arm pumping manually, because turbo DOES have the possibility to skip a few frames. Although I doubt it would skip more than 1 or 2 frames given a few thousand frames.

I think that the only time it could skip a frame is after loading a stat in the midst of running, that could for example put you in a position where you are supposed to press L but holding turbo does not, this however is of course easily checked if you have input display on (which I assume everyone has?)

ING-X:

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2007-10-17 02:03:30 pm

yeah

Quote from Cpadolf:

Quote from ICheatAtGolf:

I would say do the arm pumping manually, because turbo DOES have the possibility to skip a few frames. Although I doubt it would skip more than 1 or 2 frames given a few thousand frames.

I think that the only time it could skip a frame is after loading a stat in the midst of running, that could for example put you in a position where you are supposed to press L but holding turbo does not, this however is of course easily checked if you have input display on (which I assume everyone has?)

Yeah, I have input display. Also, I'll probably switch to arm pumping with turbo since arm pumping w/o turbo just takes too long. Wink

Also when you guys turbo arm pump do you hold the frame advance button or do you play at a slow speed?

Fano7:

registered on 2007-09-01 09:26:53 am.

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2007-10-17 02:29:54 pm

Every Bit Counts

I (yes I am TASing now) just hold down the turbo every frame. But just because of this, I will not play at a slow speed, I will play using frame advance. Also, when you record, how you do you record after you stop (or x-out). Do you do a re-record? And finally, what buttons do you use to TAS (talking mainly to Cpadolf, Tonski, and ING-X)?

P.JMan:

registered on 2005-11-30 10:52:21 am.

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2007-10-17 02:35:56 pm

I like Big Butts and I can not lie

Quote from Fano7:

Also, when you record, how you do you record after you stop (or x-out). Do you do a re-record?

Yes

ING-X:

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2007-10-17 02:42:20 pm

yeah

Quote from Fano7:

I (yes I am TASing now) just hold down the turbo every frame. But just because of this, I will not play at a slow speed, I will play using frame advance.

Glad you finally decided to start TASing. =D>

It's not as hard as I made it seem. When you first start, don't worry if you suck. Wink

My first TAS was so terribly awful that it was actually slower than a regular speed run. You can see that here. Good luck!

Cpadolf:

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2007-10-17 03:46:20 pm

Hurr Durr

Quote from ING-X:

Also when you guys turbo arm pump do you hold the frame advance button or do you play at a slow speed?

I hold frameadvance, playing at slow speed is unacceptable.

Quote from Fano7:

And finally, what buttons do you use to TAS

All the wrong ones Rolling Eyes

My keyboard suck so I have spread the buttons all over the place to be able to use all of them as I wish.

Run = Z
Jump = V
Shoot = Caps
Item Select = S
Aim down = F
Aim up = X
Turbo Aim down = C
Turbo Shoot = A
Start = D
Savestate = 1-0
Loadstate = F1-F10
Frame Advance = 7
Pause (exit frameadvance) = I

ING-X:

registered on 2005-11-19 05:27:17 pm.

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2007-10-17 04:05:15 pm

yeah

Quote from Cpadolf:

Quote from ING-X:

Also when you guys turbo arm pump do you hold the frame advance button or do you play at a slow speed?

I hold frameadvance, playing at slow speed is unacceptable.

Quote from Fano7:

And finally, what buttons do you use to TAS

All the wrong ones Rolling Eyes

My keyboard suck so I have spread the buttons all over the place to be able to use all of them as I wish.

Run = Z
Jump = V
Shoot = Caps
Item Select = S
Aim down = F
Aim up = X
Turbo Aim down = C
Turbo Shoot = A
Start = D
Savestate = 1-0
Loadstate = F1-F10
Frame Advance = 7
Pause (exit frameadvance) = I

I use something kind of similiar to the SNES controller's layout.

Run = Numpad 2
Jump = Numpad 6
Shoot = Numpad 8
Item Select = Numpad 5
Aim down = Down
Aim up = Up
Start = Enter
Savestate 0 = Numpad 0
Savestate 1-9 = Shift + F2-F10
Loadstate 0 = Ctrl
Loadstate 1-9 = F2-F10
Frame Advance = \
Pause (exit frameadvance) = Pause/Break

Also, I pity Cpadolf's hands.

Cpadolf:

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2007-10-17 04:28:40 pm

Hurr Durr

Yeah but after awhile you get used to it so it's not that bad. I can almost play acceptable in realtime even with that set now that I have gotten so used to it.

P.JMan:

registered on 2005-11-30 10:52:21 am.

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2007-10-17 04:31:26 pm

I like Big Butts and I can not lie

Up=Up
Left=Left
Down=down
Right=Right
B=S
A=Z
Y=A
X=X
Start=Enter
Select=Backspace
L=Q
R=W
Turbo-X=D
Turbo-L=C

Save 0=F2
Save 1=Shift+F1
Save 2=Shift+F3
Save 3-9=Shift F5-F11
Load 0=F4
Load 1=F1
Load 2=F3
Load 3-9=F5-F11

Frame Advance=\
Movie Frame Display=.
Input Display=,
Read Only=Shift+8
Graphics Layers 1-4=1-4
Sprite Layer=5
Layering Hack=6
Transparency=7

ICheatAtGolf:

registered on 2007-01-04 02:21:29 pm.

ICheatAtGolf

2007-10-18 11:33:50 am

I tend to put a few save states on the letter keys for easy access in parts where you would need to reload a lot, for example slot 1 is W to save and Q to load.

Gaius_4:

registered on 2007-07-05 06:10:26 pm.

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Gaius_4

2007-10-18 01:09:51 pm

I use snes9x. I use the top row of number keys. I have a "tooth" that is sculpted from candle wax (yes, it's true -or I could've just said I have a 'thing') ....that I use to 'mark' where I last saved. I slide it along from 1 to 9. Or I use that for a main save 'point' and a secondary 'thing' that marks other save points that are down from the main save point. Just in case I need to really start over.

Rolling Eyes

*at me*

I have started pressing TAB when I get an item upgrade, or I'm moving through doors (sometimes).

Fano7:

registered on 2007-09-01 09:26:53 am.

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2007-10-19 08:25:32 am

Every Bit Counts

How do you do a re-record?

P.JMan:

registered on 2005-11-30 10:52:21 am.

Gender: male

2007-10-19 09:26:10 am

I like Big Butts and I can not lie

You load a state in Read+Write mode while your movie is playing/recording

Fano7:

registered on 2007-09-01 09:26:53 am.

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2007-10-19 10:23:32 am

Every Bit Counts

Thanks. Now I know why you people hate Ceres. I'm not using corner boosting, but I hope to beat the TASvid 14% before moozooh does (if at all).

Edit: Why the heck is my movie desyncing? It olny play the movie if I load from a savesate. And I don't have one at the beggining! What is going on? BTW here is my smv (it probably will not work).

attachment:

14% Speed.smv

Saturn:

registered on 2005-09-01 03:34:43 pm.

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Saturn

2007-10-19 10:54:49 am

Quote from moozooh:

Quote from Cpadolf:

Oh yeah, what time did you get in ceres (unless you wanna keep it a secret) Was it the at the time fastest 49:08 or did you find something new?

I didn't do anything for Ceres for that run, it was done by evilchen for the most part, and the time he got was 49'07.

You team up with evilchen on this run, but didn't help him in Ceres at all, although it is the final run already? I'm a bit confused, since you said quality is a very important goal for you. You certainly have somewhat more knowledge so far, which especially in Ceres would be required. Since you guys already gained 1 sec before Brinstar over a "moozooh WIP" by optimizing Zebes like crazy, I wonder why you didn't help evilchen in Ceres the same way?

I'm certain you could improve the escape time, you just shouldn't be scared to give it a try. :)

EDIT:
Fano, record on Snes9x 1.43+ v9. And don't forget to enable "WIP1 timing" and "Fake Mute Desync Workaround" in the sync settings to get maximal sync quality.

[quote="moozooh"][quote="Cpadolf"]Oh yeah, what time did you get in ceres (unless you wanna keep it a secret) Was it the at the time fastest 49:08 or did you find something new?[/quote]
I didn't do anything for Ceres for that run, it was done by evilchen for the most part, and the time he got was 49'07.[/quote]
You team up with evilchen on this run, but didn't help him in Ceres at all, although it is the final run already? I'm a bit confused, since you said quality is a very important goal for you. You certainly have somewhat more knowledge so far, which especially in Ceres would be required. Since you guys already gained 1 sec before Brinstar over a "moozooh WIP" by optimizing Zebes like crazy, I wonder why you didn't help evilchen in Ceres the same way?

I'm certain you could improve the escape time, you just shouldn't be scared to give it a try. :)

EDIT:
Fano, record on Snes9x 1.43+ v9. And don't forget to enable "WIP1 timing" and "Fake Mute Desync Workaround" in the sync settings to get maximal sync quality.

Fano7:

registered on 2007-09-01 09:26:53 am.

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2007-10-19 11:04:18 am

Every Bit Counts

So I need to Ceres all over again. I want to get a Ceres dartboard now. Evil or Very Mad

And I used WIP1 Timing.

Cpadolf:

registered on 2007-02-14 03:32:46 am.

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2007-10-19 12:19:17 pm

Hurr Durr

If you are using snes9x improovement9 I have no idea why it would desync, having made several hours of smv I have only once had a desync with that emulator.

Moozooh probably is not taking this run as serious as his 14% (Though certainly he is taking this serious too, 1 second over his testrun before brinstar is crazy) For his 14% run we will probably see 49:15 or something really close. (Although that depends on however he will sacrifice ingame time or not to do so)

Fano7:

registered on 2007-09-01 09:26:53 am.

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2007-10-19 12:59:21 pm

Every Bit Counts

Where can you get that emu? I think I have that version, but I want to make sure. And, I can't do a re-record thing. I make the movie read/write, play it than load a state. All it does it makes the movie cancel. I am about to stop TASing if I need to do Ceres a million times (I have done it 3 times now), just because of me not being able to re-record.

Cpadolf:

registered on 2007-02-14 03:32:46 am.

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2007-10-19 01:15:55 pm

Hurr Durr

Google perhaps?

Otherwise I think Saturn has a link to it on his webpage (link to that page is in his sign.)

Saturn:

registered on 2005-09-01 03:34:43 pm.

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Saturn

2007-10-19 01:19:26 pm

Yes, either that, or this official one:
http://www.filespace.org/nitsuja/snes9xw-improvement9.zip

ING-X:

registered on 2005-11-19 05:27:17 pm.

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2007-10-19 02:08:43 pm

yeah

Quote from Saturn:

Yes, either that, or this official one:
http://www.filespace.org/nitsuja/snes9xw-improvement9.zip

Or you could use v10.

Fano7:

registered on 2007-09-01 09:26:53 am.

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2007-10-19 05:38:33 pm

Every Bit Counts

I finally found out how to do recordings. Now I can show you my mad TAS skillz. laugh new

So far, I'm halfway through Ceres. When I'm done with Ceres, I show you it.

Edit: Here it is.

attachment:

14% Speed WIP1.smv

P.JMan:

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