boring discussion about life [locked]

Kharay1977:

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Kharay1977

2010-07-12 03:23:12 pm

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And this is the root of the debate. Why should we label the processes of what a computer does as "life"?

Because our current definition of life - of which there is no definite one in science - is not the only possible definition of life.

@J_SNAKE - It's obvious you are simply incapable of extending your imagination beyond your understanding of science. That much is clear. Once again, I'm done debating something with you, you simply are too stubborn to acknowledge the fact your view is limited. You do not know everything there is to know. We do not know everything there is to know. Which is at the very core of why it is possible for artificial life to be. Note the fact I said possible, I did not guarantee it with 100% certainty. I'm just saying it's possible. If you are not open to that possibility, I feel for you. Really, I do.

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2010-07-12 03:23:21 pm

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like P*r*r is the area of a circle. No matter how you advance the technology it will still be the area of a circle.

Pi and radii are just concepts (ones that date back thousands of years). Tomorrow, someone might come up with a new means of finding the area of a circle using entirely new concepts no one has heard of before. Same goes for technology.

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J_SNAKE

2010-07-12 03:26:48 pm

But P*r*r will still be true, as much as the domino or compiler problem will still be non-determinable. The reason is that they are independent truth, no matter how you look at it.

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Gaius_4: 2010-07-12 03:29:03 pm

2010-07-12 03:27:58 pm

If the definition of "Life" is so loose... Then a clock could be considered a life form. And if we're going to hold to that standard - then what is the worth of our own lives? Why should we even care?

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Kharay1977:

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2010-07-12 03:29:14 pm

I suppose I should be glad that at least TheGreenManalishi gets it.

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2010-07-12 03:30:49 pm

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I suppose I should be glad that at least TheGreenManalishi gets it.

I constantly see you claim that I dont get your point of view. What makes you sure you get mine?

Kharay1977:

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Kharay1977

2010-07-12 03:31:48 pm

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I constantly see you claim that I dont get your point of view. What makes you sure you get mine?

The same thing that makes you so sure I don't.

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Gaius_4

2010-07-12 03:32:43 pm

So we agree to disagree.
teach

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Kharay1977

2010-07-12 03:34:11 pm

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So we agree to disagree.
teach

Yes.

J_SNAKE:

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J_SNAKE

2010-07-12 03:35:50 pm

We cannot say that much about life but we can say something about computation.

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2010-07-12 03:37:41 pm

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We cannot say that much about life but we can say something about computation.

That's because we invented computers, we understand them. We're still working on that life thing.

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Idkbutlike2: 2010-07-12 03:39:00 pm

2010-07-12 03:38:11 pm

Everlasting Turquoise

Well, the one thing I think mechanical self-aware beings will never be able to do is reproduce. That's probably the biggest thing that separates them from true living beings.

EDIT: Mechanical beings also can't physically grow using their own energy.

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Gaius_4: 2010-07-12 03:40:08 pm

2010-07-12 03:39:35 pm

I think we're just having faith in the possibility.

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Well, the one thing I think mechanical self-aware beings will never be able to do is reproduce. That's probably the biggest thing that separates them from true living beings.

No. Machines can be programmed to replicate. It's just not a "natural" process, and the materials have to be gathered through an outside source... oh I get it. Wink

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Kharay1977

2010-07-12 03:40:08 pm

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We cannot say that much about life but we can say something about computation.

We can say something about computing. We cannot say everything about it though. We have not yet reached the end of our technological advance. As such, you cannot possibly begin to rule out the possibility for artificial intelligence and with it, artificial life.

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2010-07-12 03:40:56 pm

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Well, the one thing I think mechanical self-aware beings will never be able to do is reproduce. That's probably the biggest thing that separates them from true living beings.

EDIT: Mechanical beings also can't physically grow using their own energy.

Artficial life doesn't mean mechanical. Ever seen Bicentennial Man? They grow organs. One day, we might be able to grow artificial reproducitve organs.

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2010-07-12 03:41:50 pm

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Artficial life doesn't mean mechanical. Ever seen Bicentennial Man? They grow organs. One day, we might be able to grow artificial reproducitve organs.

I'll say it again, TGM... I'm glad at least you and I agree on this. Wink

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2010-07-12 03:41:57 pm

Everlasting Turquoise

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Quote from Idkbutlike2:

Well, the one thing I think mechanical self-aware beings will never be able to do is reproduce. That's probably the biggest thing that separates them from true living beings.

EDIT: Mechanical beings also can't physically grow using their own energy.

Artficial life doesn't mean mechanical. Ever seen Bicentennial Man? They grow organs. One day, we might be able to grow artificial reproducitve organs.

But would we be able to create artificial genes?

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2010-07-12 03:42:49 pm

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But would we be able to create artificial genes?

- Why not?
- Who is to say a genetic structure is the only definition of life?

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Gaius_4: 2010-07-12 03:43:57 pm

2010-07-12 03:43:02 pm

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Ever seen Bicentennial Man? They grow organs. One day, we might be able to grow artificial reproducitve organs.

Not only will we make ourselves huge dicks - but multiple huge dicks. Or tits.

Edit: and we'll have penises too.

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2010-07-12 03:43:11 pm

Everlasting Turquoise

Because that's how life came to be, through genetic structures.

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J_SNAKE: 2010-07-12 03:45:08 pm

2010-07-12 03:44:09 pm

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Artficial life doesn't mean mechanical. Ever seen Bicentennial Man? They grow organs. One day, we might be able to grow artificial reproducitve organs.

Computational life does mean mechanical. There is no need to regard organic life-forms at this moment since we can reproduce ourselves best by passing on our genes. That question has to be understood first.

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2010-07-12 03:45:24 pm

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Because that's how life came to be, through genetic structures.

On Earth, yes. Earth is not the only planet in the galaxy. And, once again, and after this I won't repeat the point - there is no definite definition of life as yet. Not even amongst scientists. So, if scientists can't even agree on what is life and what is not life - who are you to determine what is and what is not life?

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Not only will we make ourselves huge dicks - but multiple huge dicks. Or tits.

Edit: and we'll have penises too.

For a 34 year old, that is a very childish thing to say.