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2010-01-22 06:23:56 pm

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LOLOL marijuana is DIRT CHEAP. I can spend $400 a DAY on other drugs (and have). $40 of marijuana lasts me 6 months! It's impossible to spend nearly as much money on weed as other drugs. It's WAY cheaper even than alcohol, silly.

I don't mean getting it from a dealer, I already know it's cheap like that! I was talking about the money spent of marijuana if it been legalized (from a store that would sell it, not a dealer). Think about it, if the stuff gets legalized, tobacco companies would probably become it's main distributors and will probably add quite a bit to the price since packaging and "quality checking" now come into effect. And if the taxes mentioned before also get placed on marijuana, that would make it even more expensive. I'm not trying to say buying marijuana will impoverish you, but it will start costing more if it becomes legal.

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2010-01-22 06:30:11 pm

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I'm not convinced you even know what your argument is anymore.

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2010-01-22 06:40:41 pm

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Okay, screw the Marijuana for one minute, and check this out (I also strongly recommend watching the videos at the bottom as well as researching the case.). This ruling was horrible, I can't believe I missed this yesterday...
http://byuu.org/articles/corporatism

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2010-01-22 06:57:26 pm

Servin' you realness!!

But marijuana is not addictive like tobacco. People wouldnt be scraping their purses to go get more. You don't smoke it like cigarettes. The price of marijuana has already come down from the legalization of medical marijuana, full legalization would make it even cheaper. It's a WEED. You grow it and dry it out. Like grass. The only thing that is contributing to the price presently is the fact that it is illegal. If it were legal, it would be EVERYWHERE, and therefore even cheaper than it is now.

Imagine if dandelions were illegal. You wouldn't see them growing anywhere because nobody would want to get in trouble. If anyone really wanted a dandelion, they would have to go underground and have to cough up some money. Then one day, dandelions are legal. Why would you underground with money to buy something that would be growing in your front yard?

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2010-01-22 07:04:09 pm

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Okay, whatever, you're right, I'm wrong, and I'm sick of this topic already...
Tell me to get off the internet or whatnot (I won't do it though), I just don't have the heart to argue over this anymore aiwebs_009

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2010-01-22 07:08:55 pm

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Oh - I almost forgot to talk about the 'gateway drug' thing. The fact that marijuana is illegal is what makes it a gateway drug. Kids try it out and see that it's NOTHING. Then they question everything they've been told about drugs and aren't afraid to try coke/heroin/meth and end up fucking up their whole lives. If the govt. would stop lying about pot and admit that it's nothing, this wouldn't happen anymore because kids who tried marijuana would understand more clearly the distinction between pot and hard, addictive drugs.

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2010-01-22 07:10:59 pm

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Is there even such thing as a "gateway drug"?

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2010-01-22 07:16:43 pm

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If someone tries a drug and it leads them to other drugs, then I believe that is described as a gateway drug. The classic example of how this ends up happening is the one that I described above. I really do think that legalizing pot would stop this scenario from playing out.

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2010-01-22 07:35:38 pm

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imagine if only one pot smoker paid taxes on it.

now more taxes are being collected than before it was legalized.

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2010-01-22 10:33:55 pm

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have you ever used it?

i'm with ark on this one. there's nothing wrong with using it. it's a recreational drug; there aren't any more problems because of it. i hope they legalize it tbh. would make things a whole lot better.

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2010-01-23 12:28:00 am

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Why am I so amazing?

I'm surprised Idkbutlike2 hasn't accused anyone of having the REEFER MADNESS.

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2010-01-23 04:46:20 pm

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I do worry about the possible individual and societal effects of widespread decriminalisation or legalisation of marijuana. Traditionally, it was the anti-drug lobby that would tend to peddle the skewed, distorted version of the facts. Now, though, it seems like the backlash against the old "drugs are bad" way of doing things has gone too far, and often the pro-ganja lobby seems to me to be the one that is often not quite in possession of all the facts.

Marijuana is pretty safe as drugs go, but to suggest that it is entirely danger-free is myopic. All drugs can have side-effects. I'm fairly sure that there is an increased risk of psychiatric disorder amongst some chronic users, and those who smoke it of course are running the risk of developing a variety of cancers. Yes, you can argue that if legalised, people would ingest it so this wouldn't happen; however, as Opium has pointed out, the effect of smoking versus ingestion is not the same, so presumably some users would still prefer to smoke it.

(Of course, the risks to occasional users are probably so small as to be negligible.)

I do worry about the possible individual and societal effects of widespread decriminalisation or legalisation of marijuana. Traditionally, it was the anti-drug lobby that would tend to peddle the skewed, distorted version of the facts. Now, though, it seems like the backlash against the old "drugs are bad" way of doing things has gone too far, and often the pro-ganja lobby seems to me to be the one that is often not quite in possession of all the facts.

Marijuana is pretty safe as drugs go, but to suggest that it is entirely danger-free is myopic. All drugs can have side-effects. I'm fairly sure that there is an increased risk of psychiatric disorder amongst some chronic users, and those who smoke it of course are running the risk of developing a variety of cancers. Yes, you can argue that if legalised, people would ingest it so this wouldn't happen; however, as Opium has pointed out, the effect of smoking versus ingestion is not the same, so presumably some users would still prefer to smoke it.

(Of course, the risks to occasional users are probably so small as to be negligible.)

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2010-01-23 04:56:54 pm

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It's not danger-free, few things are. But it is nowhere near to being a threat which validates these insane laws.
Even the cops are sick of the fact that it's illegal. When they catch people smoking it, more and more often they just make people throw it away and give them a lecture. Can you see them doing that with crack users? They recognize the silliness of it all, and I think the general public is starting too as well.
The overly-conservative section of the population has a history of creating noisy fear campaigns over any social change and will resist tooth and nail, defending false ideas to the death and confusing their opinions on morality with how the law should be.

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2010-01-23 05:04:09 pm

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Yeah, I know a lot of police officers won't arrest cannabis users simply because the drain on police time and resources is too great for it to be worth it.

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2010-01-23 05:50:16 pm

Servin' you realness!!

Not to mention the fact that having the possession conviction on your record can put serious dampers on your plans for a future. What cop is gonna arrest a college kid for smoking a joint, knowing that once the kid graduates many potential employers will not hire them, especially since the cop can sympathize with the fact that they wouldn't be a police officer had someone arrested him for the exact same thing when he was a kid.

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2010-01-24 12:46:32 pm

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A miracle recreational drug is developed that is not addictive, does not have any side effects or long-term health risks, and can be used repeatedly without the user developing tolerance to it.

And the closest we have to that? Certainly not booze, which you haven't spoken a word of even though it's much more dangerous than weed. If you said Marijuana, then you're right. It's also been known to reduce cancer and diabetes dangers, as well as asthma when saturated into oil and boiled.

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2010-01-24 01:07:11 pm

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reduce cancer [...] dangers

I'm having a very hard time swallowing that. Source?

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2010-01-24 01:20:46 pm

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn17636-briefing-cannabis-compounds-fight-prostate-cancer.html
http://www.phoenixtears.ca/jim.php
http://www.nowpublic.com/thc_marijuana_helps_cure_cancer_says_harvard_study

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2010-01-24 01:30:30 pm

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thanks.

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2010-01-24 04:36:58 pm

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Is there even such thing as a "gateway drug"?

You mean like alcohol, anti-depressants, etc.?

Potheads don't generally go looking for new drugs because Marijuana reduces tolerance, which means it's pretty much anti-addictive.

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2010-01-24 04:51:44 pm

Servin' you realness!!

What makes pot a gateway drug is this:

-Kids try pot.
-Kids see that it's no big deal, and that the whole idea of it being illegal and/or dangerous is a joke.
-Kids see that they've been lied to about pot, and then incorrectly deduce that they've been lied to about the other drugs that pot has been classified with.
-Kids try meth, crack/coke, heroin. They become addicted, sometimes instantly, and their lives are totally fuct up.

If they would legalize marijuana then kids would have a better understanding of the difference between pot and other things.

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2010-01-24 05:45:01 pm

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i don't think schools lie to kids, but they definitely use scare tactics even if they don't know it. when we talked about std's in middle school, our teacher told us not to have sex until marriage. when we talked about drugs, our teacher told us that they're all bad and you should never use them. kids then associate sex = std's and drugs = bad. i know we spent way more time talking about drugs than we did junk food, when junk food can easily be more deadly.

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