R.I.P. Super Metroid

2004-07-29 09:18:22 pm

I('d) like to watch (some MP3 runs)

http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=9418&topic=15411579

It's all over for this game now; was fun to get what I did though.

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Yoshi348:

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2004-07-29 09:45:27 pm

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Ready and willing.

What, you think a stupid cheated video is gonna kill everything? Honestly, get a thicker skin. Anybody smart would have figured out that there's alot of fake videos running around now anyway, and you sure as hell didn't do it to impress stupid people. Plus you've got a very reputable and well known site tracking the real best times for the Metroid games.

A bit harsh, but I had to lay it blunt. It's not like you need to start running again or anything, but suck it up. I'm saying this for your own good... I hope you read it. There will always be one group of people who know the true value of your work...

Red Scarlet:

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2004-07-29 09:47:04 pm

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Eh, people will watch this instead of any of the now astronomically slower vids by me or Smokey. That's what I don't like about these, some legit people do their vids for entertainment also, so we lose out against what they do.

Kharay1977:

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Kharay1977

2004-07-29 09:48:45 pm

I would call such a dramatic breaking of your 55 run highly unlikely. Not to stuff any feathers up your behind or anything, but IMHO your run was nearing sheer perfection. You made little or no mistakes, an almost pixel perfect run, as I call those.
And, I don't think a different route could gain a whopping 8 minutes. We're not just talking 8 minutes, no... we're talking about a run that is actually almost 15% faster than your awe inspiring run.

If this 47 minute run is indeed real, I would LOVE (with capitals all across the board there) to see the vid of it.

/me expects 2 billion save/load state moments in the run... :P

Red Scarlet:

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2004-07-29 09:48:57 pm

I('d) like to watch (some MP3 runs)

Quote from Yoshi348:

What, you think a stupid cheated video is gonna kill everything?

For me, yes they do. Not only is it 6+ minutes faster than I thought possible, it also gives no reason to bother trying anymore except to brag for a still slower time that most people won't give a crap about.

There are a couple of things that AFAIK are not actually possible to do (2 shinesparks come to mind in how the player gets them to go farther than what actually you would go, and at a point where you would hit a platform), as well as innumerable times something that is very very unlikely for a human to do at regular speed, all in 1 try.

Oh well, I was hoping school started before this kinda stuff came out, as then I wouldn't have known and looked back at 3 weeks wasted time.

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nate

2004-07-29 10:00:48 pm

君だけの

光になると

this has been a very difficult night, and i apologize ahead of time for any rampaging emotions you may encounter. at first we all thought the 'advent' of super metroid mutilation through emulation wouldn't be so bad, what with that hilariously craptastic any percent run some days ago.

but this video pretty much put all of our hopes to sleep, and i mean with a punch to the face. i think it's probably quite difficult to imagine what this feels like unless you have actually held the record for a game that was emulated out of its glory. yes, scarlet logically has little reason to be upset, but emotionally it's going to be difficult for a while. it was kind of an open secret that i was going to go for the best any percent time in super metroid, and i am now faced with the prospect of trying to scream out at a deaf audience that some of this machine's pixel-perfect moves are in fact impossible on a console, or worse, that they are indeed possible, but no human is capable of performing them consistently enough to use in a run. that would mean that, as she said, i would become an eternal sideshow. no one seriously competes for a #2 time - take it from me.

i guess i'll see how i feel next week after i move.

this has been a very difficult night, and i apologize ahead of time for any rampaging emotions you may encounter. at first we all thought the 'advent' of super metroid mutilation through emulation wouldn't be so bad, what with that hilariously craptastic any percent run some days ago.

but this video pretty much put all of our hopes to sleep, and i mean with a punch to the face. i think it's probably quite difficult to imagine what this feels like unless you have actually held the record for a game that was emulated out of its glory. yes, scarlet logically has little reason to be upset, but emotionally it's going to be difficult for a while. it was kind of an open secret that i was going to go for the best any percent time in super metroid, and i am now faced with the prospect of trying to scream out at a deaf audience that some of this machine's pixel-perfect moves are in fact impossible on a console, or worse, that they are indeed possible, but no human is capable of performing them consistently enough to use in a run. that would mean that, as she said, i would become an eternal sideshow. no one seriously competes for a #2 time - take it from me.

i guess i'll see how i feel next week after i move.

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2004-07-29 10:02:20 pm

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Ready and willing.

...Stop being so smart, Nate... :)

Red Scarlet:

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2004-07-29 10:04:54 pm

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I have many reasons as to why it bothers me, many known only by a handful of people; some known by no one on this forum.

And I'm not getting into that. But I'm not upset simply because my time (and Smokey's, who's played this game much more than I,) was beaten by an emu movie.

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Jeramyu

2004-07-29 10:45:55 pm

Well poop. Reminds me of that SMB3 video.

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Trowa

2004-07-30 02:27:04 am

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Others can stop you temporarily - only you can do it permanently. -Don Ward

I believe all records can be broken and that all limits can be surpassed. The only thing it takes is an unlimited enthusiasm. Besides, I have to say that their are no shortcuts to achieving anything worthwhile. This is quite harsh but true, if you quit here now you will just be proving that you really don't have what it takes. You've come this far, so are you really gonna quit because some lousy cretin proves to the world that he could beat it 100% in 47 minutes on an emulator?(Sorry that was harsh. If I hurt someones feelings, sorry :( .)

Other than that, try reading my sig :) .

sdwoodchuck:

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sdwoodchuck

2004-07-30 03:00:41 am

As I said on Gamefaqs, I am always far more impressed with a legit run than a save-state ridden run. Unfortunately, there are people out there who won't know the difference, but I'll always have more respect for the skill that goes into legitimate runs far more than these.

I'm sure countless people will download the run with the shorter time, but I'm just as sure that anyone who wants to see genuine skill will much sooner download yours and Smokey's runs. I'm sorry to hear it is hitting you and others so hard, especially because I can imagine how it must feel.

Hang in there. I can guarantee you're more respected by those who matter than the people who did this new run.

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2004-07-30 03:17:12 am

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:55 took me 3 weeks (in which I got utterly sick of the game when I finished). There's no way in hell I'd play the game for likely years on end to equal the stuff in the vid in 1 single segment. No thanks.
Not worth my time.

sdwoodchuck:

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sdwoodchuck

2004-07-30 03:36:01 am

I agree, it's not... However, watching your run, it's much easier to appreciate the skill that goes into playing the game.

Think of Speed Running as any Olympic game. You watch amateur athletes perform at their peak, and can appreciate the amount of effort and skill that goes into what they do. Every so often someone comes along and smashes a world record, and then is found to be using steroids or other performance enhancers. Does the world remember them as a great athlete? No. The world remembers them as a someone who couldn't win on their own.

Remember when the U.S. sent our best professional basketball players into the summer olympics as our "dream team" in direct violation of a tradition of all participating athletes being non-professional? Nobody was impressed when we won the gold medal that year, because we stacked the deck in our favor.

This is the same. Your run is the real deal--the current best that skill has to offer by way of a 100% run. These others... they don't matter. Granted, the internet community in general is a little less wary of deception than an international olympic committee, but people generally will know who was legit, and who was pulling off their unreal times with save-state filled emulator runs--the speed runner's steroid.

I agree, it's not...  However, watching your run, it's much easier to appreciate the skill that goes into playing the game.

Think of Speed Running as any Olympic game.  You watch amateur athletes perform at their peak, and can appreciate the amount of effort and skill that goes into what they do.  Every so often someone comes along and smashes a world record, and then is found to be using steroids or other performance enhancers.  Does the world remember them as a great athlete?  No.  The world remembers them as a someone who couldn't win on their own.

Remember when the U.S. sent our best professional basketball players into the summer olympics as our "dream team" in direct violation of a tradition of all participating athletes being non-professional?  Nobody was impressed when we won the gold medal that year, because we stacked the deck in our favor.

This is the same.  Your run is the real deal--the current best that skill has to offer by way of a 100% run.  These others...  they don't matter.  Granted, the internet community in general is a little less wary of deception than an international olympic committee, but people generally will know who was legit, and who was pulling off their unreal times with save-state filled emulator runs--the speed runner's steroid.

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Bladegash

2004-07-30 04:38:40 am

real runs > fake runs

A scientifically proven fact. >_>

Red Scarlet:

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2004-08-01 02:54:55 pm

I('d) like to watch (some MP3 runs)

No one has "what it takes" to get :46 100% legitimately. This game, like many others is now in the hands of the emu guys, never to legit players again.

The only way to compete with that :47 is to play in their ballpark.

Sure, someone can probably go and beat my :55 going that new way with a :54, but why put all that effort into 2nd place (to the majority of people).

sdwoodchuck:

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sdwoodchuck

2004-08-01 03:04:15 pm

Because it's legit. A record without legitimate play is not a record. I agree that nobody has what it takes to get 47 minutes with 100%, and I don't believe most people will think so either. The difference is that one is a real run, the other is more of a technical demonstration.

Yoshi348:

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2004-08-01 04:00:21 pm

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Ready and willing.

Pure logic isn't gonna get anyone anywhere here. Stupid yet awsome emotions.

Smokey:

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Smokey

2004-08-01 04:33:55 pm

bulleta's right. No one has 'what it takes' to even reach :50/100%. Even if something huge is discovered to get that time the emu vids will take it further. And yes, the only way to compete with that is to play the same way they do, and still, there's no fun/point in doing that. Why competing for something when it doesn't take skill to do?

I also agree with chuck in another view. Legit vids (whether they're done on the cart or emu) and re-recorded videos (using slowdown /states) are two completely different things. There's a :34 cheated vid up, and I simply don't give a damn about it anymore but at the same time I just don't feel like doing another one knowing that I'll never be able to even break that. Still though, I bet none of them can even reach a 1:00 or a :40, and if they do it still doesn't matter to me.

I am sorry for being so unsupportive, but it is just the truth. Take in mind also what it feels like to hit the stop/record button of the VCR countless of times for hours to have something good at the end to then be broken in just a short period of time by someone. It throws away the motivation to continue doing this.

bulleta's right. No one has 'what it takes' to even reach :50/100%. Even if something huge is discovered to get that time the emu vids will take it further. And yes, the only way to compete with that is to play the same way they do, and still, there's no fun/point in doing that. Why competing for something when it doesn't take skill to do?

I also agree with chuck in another view. Legit vids (whether they're done on the cart or emu) and re-recorded videos (using slowdown /states) are two completely different things. There's a :34 cheated vid up, and I simply don't give a damn about it anymore but at the same time I just don't feel like doing another one knowing that I'll never be able to even break that. Still though, I bet none of them can even reach a 1:00 or a :40, and if they do it still doesn't matter to me.

I am sorry for being so unsupportive, but it is just the truth. Take in mind also what it feels like to hit the stop/record button of the VCR countless of times for hours to have something good at the end to then be broken in just a short period of time by someone. It throws away the motivation to continue doing this.

Red Scarlet:

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2004-08-01 06:02:45 pm

I('d) like to watch (some MP3 runs)

Not only has one person in particular started speaking to me as I were an 8-year old (Faq God/Nightcom), the revelry in "perfection" began too, along with now those guys probably sucking up Nate's new August bandwidth with a link being found out where to get it.

Lame.

fuck competitive gaming, it simply is not worth the time with those guys ruining this game and that, left and right for the people who want to actually compete using their actual skills, not video editing ability.

The topic at their nesvideos forum is pretty amusing..one week ago Smokey and I were actually thought of good/real good/use vid for a guide, and now go has-beens.

I hate those people, for not only their selfishness but also their complete and total ignorance and insecurities (I was blamed out of nowhere for someone hacking their site).

Sorry guys, I'll use a recognizable nick like I always have if I'm going to cuss you out and argue (which is absolutely pointless with their brainwashedness).

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