Pal 14% Run ?? [locked]

NecroWeapon:

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NecroWeapon

2005-10-10 10:21:13 am

Is it true, that the Vertical Bomb Jump to the Wrecked Ship, cant be done on PAL??

I see it in the Vid on NTSC but i cant do it on NTSC emu, and i cant do it on PAL console, so i dont know if its possible or not.

Please help me

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Daniel, Lord Bahamut

2005-10-10 10:52:13 pm

Mega Flare

Try this thread.

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Kejardon

2005-10-10 11:42:05 pm

Embarrasing Fact: Power suit made by lowest bidder

I'm pretty sure it can be done.
I know people have done NBMB on PAL at *least* to PB #66. Nobody mentioned before that horizontal bomb jumping was impossible or anything different about it on PAL, so I'm assuming they got the missiles in/near the wrecked ship uneventfully.

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Fredrik

2005-10-11 03:16:02 am

Quote from Kejardon:

I know people have done NBMB on PAL at *least* to PB #66. Nobody mentioned before that horizontal bomb jumping was impossible or anything different about it on PAL, so I'm assuming they got the missiles in/near the wrecked ship uneventfully.

They might have sj'ed over. Or am I missing something here?

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NecroWeapon

2005-10-11 12:00:54 pm

@ daniel, Lord Bahamut: This Thread doesnt answers my question...

Could someone please check this out on Pal, because I cant do it on both versions

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Random Zelda Person

2005-10-11 04:21:17 pm

Quote from Fredrik:

They might have sj'ed over. Or am I missing something here?

NBMB = no fighting Draygon = no Space Jump.

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2005-10-11 05:05:34 pm

Quote from Random Zelda Person:

Quote from Fredrik:

They might have sj'ed over. Or am I missing something here?

NBMB = no fighting Draygon = no Space Jump.

I meant superjump! :-)

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DominicanZero

2005-10-11 05:46:03 pm

直死の魔眼使い

That's called Shinesparking, or Spine Sharking, as it's usually known around these places.

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Ekarderif

2005-10-11 06:08:45 pm

Nobody calls it Spine Sharking... except maybe Spine Shark but nobody listens to him anyways.

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Red Scarlet

2005-10-11 06:43:29 pm

I('d) like to watch (some MP3 runs)

Shine Spark and Super Jump are both used and accepted by most people, just like mockball and mochball.

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spineshark

2005-10-11 09:13:51 pm

in the name of justice!

Quote from Ekarderif:

Nobody calls it Spine Sharking... except maybe Spine Shark but nobody listens to him anyways.

Quote from coppero1327:

In the room before you start the spineshark for secret message there is this floating orange thingy and it shoots these balls that move in circles. freeze it. now jump on it and shoot the second you touch it. It will die and you will be standing on air and can even run around. I would make a movie but lack a gameboy player.

Quote from sparky:

Other: speed booster

Spineshark puzzles > all, 'nuff said

Quote from Smops:

Full explaination:

Run.
Get speed boost.
Press Down. You've got the shine!
Now, 2 choices: (1) Spineshark, or (2) jump without spinesharking.
(1): Press A, and while floating, press direction.
(2): Do a spin jump, so press A AND a direction at the same time.

If you want a speed boost AFTER spinesharking, shark directly into a ramp. You'll speed boost after hitting it. Then, press down to get the shine again. Then you can spineshark again.

Quote from sparky:

make sure to activate the ziplines in kraid, because you cannot get out otherwise without a spineshark, which you cannot do.

Quote from Artee:

The speedbooster is my favorite. Who doesn't love the shineshank? What!?! That's not what it's called?!? What is it? Spineshark, spineshank, shrinespank, snipeshark, snapsnot, stripelark!?!? What is it called? Oooohh... shinespark.

Quote from Artee:

I used to call it the Spineshark. That was when I was taking nitroglycerin.

Ekarderif, why are you so damn fun to prove wrong?

Well, okay, I am not so sure about the "nobody listens to spine shark" part...

[quote="Ekarderif"]Nobody calls it Spine Sharking... except maybe Spine Shark but nobody listens to him anyways.[/quote]
[quote="coppero1327"]In the room before you start the spineshark for secret message there is this floating orange thingy and it shoots these balls that move in circles. freeze it. now jump on it and shoot the second you touch it. It will die and you will be standing on air and can even run around. I would make a movie but lack a gameboy player.[/quote]
[quote="sparky"]Other: speed booster

Spineshark puzzles > all, 'nuff said[/quote]
[quote="Smops"]Full explaination:

Run.
Get speed boost.
Press Down. You've got the shine!
Now, 2 choices: (1) Spineshark, or (2) jump without spinesharking.
(1): Press A, and while floating, press direction.
(2): Do a spin jump, so press A AND a direction at the same time.

If you want a speed boost AFTER spinesharking, shark directly into a ramp. You'll speed boost after hitting it. Then, press down to get the shine again. Then you can spineshark again. [/quote]
[quote="sparky"]make sure to activate the ziplines in kraid, because you cannot get out otherwise without a spineshark, which you cannot do.[/quote]
[quote="Artee"]The speedbooster is my favorite. Who doesn't love the shineshank? What!?! That's not what it's called?!? What is it? Spineshark, spineshank, shrinespank, snipeshark, snapsnot, stripelark!?!? What is it called? Oooohh... shinespark.[/quote]
[quote="Artee"]I used to call it the Spineshark. That was when I was taking nitroglycerin.[/quote]
Ekarderif, why are you so damn fun to prove wrong?

Well, okay, I am not so sure about the "nobody listens to spine shark" part...

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transience

2005-10-11 10:09:35 pm

twenty eight fifty

ekarderif, like myself, has an anti-idiocy filter in place. his brain translates stupid mistakes such as "spine shark" to the proper spelling/grammar so as to not piss him off / make him believe humanity is that stupid. it's not incredibly dissimilar to the swear filter in place here at m2k2.

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Yoshi348

2005-10-11 10:24:02 pm

PAGE BREAKER

Ready and willing.

Damnit, that's too big to sig.

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spineshark

2005-10-11 11:30:33 pm

in the name of justice!

I'll take half; you take half. People will figure it out eventually.

So do you guys just totally ignore each others' posts or what? Uhh...I'm not sure how to make that sound like I'm not insulting you...

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Ekarderif

2005-10-11 11:53:38 pm

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Ekarderif, why are you so damn fun to prove wrong?

So now you're taking everything I say completely literally? Of course you'll easily prove me wrong then. At least digest my meaning, or are you so quick to prove my words wrong and not my intent?

Whenever an absolute statement is made, it's assumed to have at least some plausibility for external action. Saying "it's impossible for a man to pass through a wall" is generally correct; yet quantum mechanics prove that it is possible. However, if such a situation arises, nobody (here again is an interpreted absolute) is going to argue that the original statement is false.

Plus, my previous statement is merely a representation of the truth. How many times do you say "Nobody can be that stupid!" and have your exclamation be proven false? It's the same principle.

How many times have the forum corrected people on the use of "Spine Shark"? How many people have been humiliated due to the phrase? It is known as Spine Sharking as much as Bisqwit is legit.

On top of which, two of your refutes are clearly jokes (Artee's) and one is rejectable (I have no fucking clue who coppero1327 is). So you are left with 3 statements made by 2 people. Congratulations, 2 out of 300+ established posters. I think <1% is low enough to qualify as "nobody."

Moral of the story is, learn to read and understand. Oh wait, you still call it Spine Shark... Learn to read and try to understand.

[quote="Spine Shark"]Ekarderif, why are you so damn fun to prove wrong?[/quote]
So now you're taking everything I say completely literally? Of course you'll easily prove me wrong then. At least digest my meaning, or are you so quick to prove my words wrong and not my intent?

Whenever an absolute statement is made, it's assumed to have at least some plausibility for external action. Saying "it's impossible for a man to pass through a wall" is generally correct; yet quantum mechanics prove that it is possible. However, if such a situation arises, nobody (here again is an interpreted absolute) is going to argue that the original statement is false.

Plus, my previous statement is merely a representation of the truth.  How many times do you say "Nobody can be that stupid!" and have your exclamation be proven false? It's the same principle.

How many times have the forum corrected people on the use of "Spine Shark"? How many people have been humiliated due to the phrase? It is known as Spine Sharking as much as Bisqwit is legit.

On top of which, two of your refutes are clearly jokes (Artee's) and one is rejectable (I have no fucking clue who coppero1327 is). So you are left with 3 statements made by 2 people. Congratulations, 2 out of 300+ established posters. I think <1% is low enough to qualify as "nobody."

Moral of the story is, learn to read and [u]understand[/u]. Oh wait, you still call it Spine Shark... Learn to read and [u]try[/u] to understand.

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Chanoire

2005-10-12 03:46:19 am

Good grief, you're sounding as touchy as I do when I haven't had enough sleep and/or am lacking a sense of humor.

Ek, it was DominicanZero who said it was usually known as spinesharking, and he wasn't saying that was the real term, just one that's used. I dunno, maybe I've missed all these humiliations of people who use the term...or it could be that it's obviously used as a joke on the original spoonerism. I haven't seen scorn and abuse heaped on people who say "asploded" instead of "exploded", either. Personally, I continue to seethe about the casual use of the word "rape" to mean a mild bending of rules rather than an extremely traumatizing act of violence, but I know that people who use it aren't doing so because they think that the former is all the word means. If you want to fly off the handle about language use, that's a far more worthy target than a humorous sound reversal. And you can bet that Spine Shark chose his username in recognition of the joke.

(Spine Shark, if I'm wrong about that, do us both a favor and don't correct me.)

It seems a really extreme reaction on your part, though you've come across as having a short fuse lately anyway. I don't know much about interpersonal dynamics here, but I really doubt that Spine Shark was personally or maliciously attacking you. (Repeat parenthetical comment above.) Seriously, were you hassled for using the phrase? I can't figure out what would ignite such a response otherwise.

Popping the stack of topics...I had the impression "super jump" was at least as standard a name for the move (if not moreso) because it's called that in the US Player's Guide. Although it's still not enough, as discussions frequently need to distinguish between dashing at speeds that would allow one to charge, charging, resuming movement after charging, and actually using the charge. I think I've usually seen these as starting to shine, charging, spinjumping/dashing/etc. while charged/before the charge wears off, and sparking, but that's still kind of clunky and unclear. I can say that distinguishing between all these made for some very confusing emails between myself, still new to the series, and my friend who'd played them all, when he was trying to describe some combination of jumping and shinespark and I couldn't tell which he meant (jumping while dashing, without charging; spinjumping after charging without using the charge; using the charge, as a super jump; horizontal super jump into a ramp which starts the dash again in two games out of three...). Neither of us could tell what the other on was referring to, especially since I didn't know half the things that could be done with the speed boost. Much bewilderment ensued.

Good grief, you're sounding as touchy as I do when I haven't had enough sleep and/or am lacking a sense of humor.

Ek, it was DominicanZero who said it was [i]usually[/i] known as spinesharking, and he wasn't saying that was the real term, just one that's used.  I dunno, maybe I've missed all these humiliations of people who use the term...or it could be that it's obviously used as a joke on the original spoonerism.  I haven't seen scorn and abuse heaped on people who say "asploded" instead of "exploded", either.  Personally, I continue to seethe about the casual use of the word "rape" to mean a mild bending of rules rather than an extremely traumatizing act of violence, but I know that people who use it aren't doing so because they think that the former is all the word means.  If you want to fly off the handle about language use, that's a far more worthy target than a humorous sound reversal.  And you can bet that Spine Shark chose his username in recognition of the joke.

(Spine Shark, if I'm wrong about that, do us both a favor and don't correct me.)

It seems a really extreme reaction on your part, though you've come across as having a short fuse lately anyway.  I don't know much about interpersonal dynamics here, but I really doubt that Spine Shark was personally or maliciously attacking you.  (Repeat parenthetical comment above.)  Seriously, were you hassled for using the phrase?  I can't figure out what would ignite such a response otherwise.

Popping the stack of topics...I had the impression "super jump" was at least as standard a name for the move (if not moreso) because it's called that in the US Player's Guide.  Although it's still not enough, as discussions frequently need to distinguish between dashing at speeds that would allow one to charge, charging, resuming movement after charging, and actually using the charge.  I think I've usually seen these as starting to shine, charging, spinjumping/dashing/etc. while charged/before the charge wears off, and sparking, but that's still kind of clunky and unclear.  I can say that distinguishing between all these made for some very confusing emails between myself, still new to the series, and my friend who'd played them all, when he was trying to describe some combination of jumping and shinespark and I couldn't tell which he meant (jumping while dashing, without charging; spinjumping after charging without using the charge; using the charge, as a super jump; horizontal super jump into a ramp which starts the dash again in two games out of three...).  Neither of us could tell what the other on was referring to, especially since I didn't know half the things that could be done with the speed boost.  Much bewilderment ensued.

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LifeMega

2005-10-12 03:59:26 am

"Asplode" is ok because it is a Strong Bad reference: "YOUR HEAD A-SPLODE"

And was that "rape" comment directed at a certain ZM 9% technical demonstrator?

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Chanoire

2005-10-12 04:10:46 am

I first commented here on the use of the term something like a year ago (and not directed at any specific person, as it's obviously used widely), but of course it's bothered me for years. I don't, however, feel a need to scream about it every time I see it used, which is kind of my point.

The reference also proves my point. I didn't know where it came from, but to assume that people use it because they can't spell "explode" rather than because they're making a joke would be silly. (However, I will go right ahead and assume you misspelled or mistyped "demonstrator" rather than doing it as a joke, though.) I wish I could chalk up other frequent errors to that, like "rediculous" or "calibur" or "per say" or "here here" or "could of" or "better then" or any number of other assaults on my poor language, but I can't.

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transience

2005-10-12 04:15:45 am

twenty eight fifty

i am willing to throw my chess match to get a ben vs. sparkie final. i trust others will do the same.

and as i'm sure you're aware, the term "rape" is not used in its literal meaning. the term is meant to imply that the game was violated in a way it was not meant to be.

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Chanoire

2005-10-12 04:39:00 am

My being aware of that was kind of the point of using it as an example, yes. Although I realize it's coming from a different direction from the terminology issue that started this, so it's not as clear as I would have liked.

It does bother me that it's used so casually (and, it seems, mainly by a group of people who are unlikely to fear the real thing). I knew one woman on a gaming messageboard who had been raped (this came out because she was upset and frightened about sexual harassment at work), but she disappeared before I had occasion to ask what it felt like to see usages like this...though I don't know if she participated in gaming boards or other interaction where the term would be used in this sense. Another friend of mine escaped the reality somewhat narrowly and her I don't need to ask; she would have left this (or any other) board and never returned the first time she saw it used like this, I think. I suppose I'm thicker-skinned, but I'll probably never be able to use it offhandedly. However, screaming about it every time it's used probably wouldn't be much more reasonable than heaping scorn on people who say "spineshark". I think that's why I brought it up to begin with. I don't remember now.

My being aware of that was kind of the point of using it as an example, yes.  Although I realize it's coming from a different direction from the terminology issue that started this, so it's not as clear as I would have liked.

It does bother me that it's used so casually (and, it seems, mainly by a group of people who are unlikely to fear the real thing).  I knew one woman on a gaming messageboard who had been raped (this came out because she was upset and frightened about sexual harassment at work), but she disappeared before I had occasion to ask what it felt like to see usages like this...though I don't know if she participated in gaming boards or other interaction where the term would be used in this sense.  Another friend of mine escaped the reality somewhat narrowly and her I don't need to ask; she would have left this (or any other) board and never returned the first time she saw it used like this, I think.  I suppose I'm thicker-skinned, but I'll probably never be able to use it offhandedly.  However, screaming about it every time it's used probably wouldn't be much more reasonable than heaping scorn on people who say "spineshark".  I think that's why I brought it up to begin with.  I don't remember now.

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spineshark

2005-10-12 07:36:00 am

in the name of justice!

I think my search has made it clear, to me at least, that nobody calls it a "spineshark" on purpose. sparky is the only person I've seen do it more than once.

I feel my post came off as mean-spirited, when it wasn't really, though admittedly Ekarderif has this sort of "I could be this guy in a few years" factor that kinda scares me. I mean, would I really try to prove that point (whatever the hell it was) with RT-55J's posts? I also couldn't directly find a time when I said "spine shark" and wasn't referring to myself. But I could be wrong about that too. I kinda view it like saying "nobody messes up quote tags." Well sure, nobody means to. It still happens a lot.

"Calibur" is the correct spelling in the context of the fighting video game "Soul Calibur" and its sequels. I basically see it go both ways (e and u) in any context which drives me nuts too.

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2005-10-12 09:19:57 am

君だけの

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Quote from Chanoire:

I continue to seethe about the casual use of the word "rape" to mean a mild bending of rules rather than an extremely traumatizing act of violence, but I know that people who use it aren't doing so because they think that the former is all the word means.

although it probably doesn't make this slang usage any less unfortunate, you should know that to many of us, the so-called rapes share a lot of characteristics with that behind the older meaning of the word. i had to laugh when you describe them as 'a mild bending of the rules'. they are an abomination simply because there are no rules anymore with them, and so there is no way to compare them to the 'real thing'.

i have only once seen a comparison between a speed run and a rape that i thought was anywhere near useful or insightful, and that was here (see last paragraph of the author's commentary). normally to compare the two would be analogous to comparing a star athlete's best time on the hundred meter dash to how long it took a person sitting in a jet going five times the speed of sound to cover that distance. just ridiculous to think of them as similar in any way. there is no running involved in riding in a jet, and there is no playing involved in rape. they are violations of these people who try to do something fun with their lives, and some people say of the games themselves, though of course the games don't have feelings.

just my viewpoint.

[quote="Chanoire"]I continue to seethe about the casual use of the word "rape" to mean a mild bending of rules rather than an extremely traumatizing act of violence, but I know that people who use it aren't doing so because they think that the former is all the word means.[/quote]
although it probably doesn't make this slang usage any less unfortunate, you should know that to many of us, the so-called rapes share a lot of characteristics with that behind the older meaning of the word. i had to laugh when you describe them as 'a mild bending of the rules'. they are an abomination simply because there are no rules anymore with them, and so there is no way to compare them to the 'real thing'.

i have only once seen a comparison between a speed run and a rape that i thought was anywhere near useful or insightful, and that was [url=http://speeddemosarchive.com/Mario3.html]here (see last paragraph of the author's commentary)[/url]. normally to compare the two would be analogous to comparing a star athlete's best time on the hundred meter dash to how long it took a person sitting in a jet going five times the speed of sound to cover that distance. just ridiculous to think of them as similar in any way. there is no running involved in riding in a jet, and there is no playing involved in rape. they are violations of these people who try to do something fun with their lives, and some people say of the games themselves, though of course the games don't have feelings.

just my viewpoint.

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NecroWeapon

2005-10-12 10:15:49 am

All this discussion is Off-Topic isnt it ??

Could someone please answer now my question?

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Ekarderif

2005-10-12 12:35:48 pm

Quote from Chanoire:

A lot of things

Most of that was irrelevant to what I was saying so I won't discuss it. However, if you think I have a short fuse only as of late, you've must have been asleep for about six months.

As for word connotation, I cannot help that. I personally believe that any word connotation is concocted by society. The word "fuck" would not generate any commotion if everybody agreed it didn't; however, that is not the case. Ask yourself, is using "gosh darnit" that much better that using "god damnit"? If the intent and the meaning is identical, I find it to be just the same. Of course, I'm not in charge of society, but it would be a lot better if we don't expend energy about bullshit topics such as technicalities.

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I think my search has made it clear, to me at least, that nobody calls it a "spineshark" on purpose.

Then is there a purpose to proving me wrong? You're the annoying kid in the back row pointing out how pi equals 3.1415927 instead of 3.1416, or how . Technically you're right, but everyone still hates you. Mean or not, it's extremely annoying.

[quote="Chanoire"][i]A lot of things[/i][/quote]
Most of that was irrelevant to what I was saying so I won't discuss it. However, if you think I have a short fuse only as of late, you've must have been asleep for about six months.

As for word connotation, I cannot help that. I personally believe that any word [b]connotation[/b] is concocted by society. The word "fuck" would not generate any commotion if everybody agreed it didn't; however, that is not the case. Ask yourself, is using "gosh darnit" that much better that using "god damnit"? If the intent and the meaning is identical, I find it to be just the same. Of course, I'm not in charge of society, but it would be a lot better if we don't expend energy about bullshit topics such as technicalities.

[quote="Spine Shark"]I think my search has made it clear, to me at least, that nobody calls it a "spineshark" on purpose.[/quote]
Then is there a purpose to proving me wrong? You're the annoying kid in the back row pointing out how pi equals 3.1415927 instead of 3.1416, or how . Technically you're right, but everyone still hates you. Mean or not, it's extremely annoying.

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Izo

2005-10-12 12:49:19 pm

soaking through

And you're the poser jock who makes people feel like shit for no reason whatsoever. Also, just for clarification, I'm sure lots more people like Spine Shark than like you.

Though your points on language are valid, and it is quite easy to change the way you feel about words. I stopped swearing for about half a year, and swear words started to have quite an effect on me. Then I got quite stressed, and started swearing like a crazed drunk. Within about a month, swear words became like normal words again. There is also the matter of whether Chanoire <i>wants</i> to change the way she sees the word rape, though.