NTSC vs PAL

view all posts by Yoshi348

2005-03-14 06:27:53 pm

Hi everybody! My first post here :)
I've been inlove with the game since i bought it in 94' ;)

Well, as i stumbled on a snes emu I started playing it again, i've seen some pretty damn nice stunts from people on the site!

So i thought I'd try some tricks, like theone where you get to the shipwreck without grappling.

I've watched the video 20 times at least and I've got some thoughts...

1. The distance I have to run to "charge up" is longer than in the videos from the 2002 site.

2. Once "charged up" I stay "charged up" much less time than in the video.

I still managed to launch a supermissile and charge to the right in the room separating the shipwreck... when I get the missile I see the supermissile in the exact same place as it is in the video, and I still smash into the door, as it hasn't opened completely once I'm reaching it. (I also smasg in the door when the supermissile is a bit further right than in the video, it just doesn't open fast enough)

So I wonder; Am I using a corrupt rom? Am I using a fucked up emulator? The gaming experience just isn't the same compared to the video on the 2002 site.

I've used the rom: "Super Metroid (E).smc"
size = 3,146,240 bytes

I've used the emulators:
snes9x 1.42
snes9x 1.43
Zsnes 1.42

Same result with them all :(

Does anyone have an explanation to this?
Or maybe some thoughts of what may be wrong?

I would really appreciate some input on this.

Best regards
//Anakha

Thread title:

Hi everybody! My first post here :)
I've been inlove with the game since i bought it in 94' ;)

Well, as i stumbled on a snes emu I started playing it again, i've seen some pretty damn nice stunts from people on the site!

So i thought I'd try some tricks, like theone where you get to the shipwreck without grappling.

I've watched the video 20 times at least and I've got some thoughts...

1. The distance I have to run to "charge up" is longer than in the videos from the 2002 site.

2. Once "charged up" I stay "charged up" much less time than in the video.

I still managed to launch a supermissile and charge to the right in the room separating the shipwreck... when I get the missile I see the supermissile in the exact same place as it is in the video, and I still smash into the door, as it hasn't opened completely once I'm reaching it. (I also smasg in the door when the supermissile is a bit further right than in the video, it just doesn't open fast enough)

So I wonder; Am I using a corrupt rom? Am I using a fucked up emulator? The gaming experience just isn't the same compared to the video on the 2002 site.

I've used the rom: "Super Metroid (E).smc"
size = 3,146,240 bytes

I've used the emulators:
snes9x 1.42
snes9x 1.43
Zsnes 1.42

Same result with them all :(

Does anyone have an explanation to this?
Or maybe some thoughts of what may be wrong?

I would really appreciate some input on this.

Best regards
//Anakha

Ziptnf:

registered on 2005-02-26 03:44:28 pm.

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Ziptnf

2005-03-14 06:45:08 pm

C. Quick-charge Speed (met.exploit.quick)
Source: ???
You Need: Speed Booster

Explanation: This glitch reduces the amount of room you need to charge up to full speed.

Where to do it: You can put this glitch to work for you anywhere you can run full speed.

How to do it: Instead of holding [dash] when you start walking, take a step or two first and
THEN hold [dash]. Samus will charge up quicker than normal.

Why it's useful: Certainly, anywhere you can gain invincible speed mode a second or so early
everywhere on Zebes is beneficial. But there are a few places where this move is critical.
For one, it's a real easy way to trigger the Universal Graphic Glitch (met.graphic.uni).
For another, you can use it to build up speed jumps in places they'd otherwise be impossible.
The series of pillars just outside the Wrecked Ship, for example, usually takes about a
minute of low-angled jumps or grapping to get across. Use this glitch, and you can pass it
in seconds.

Why it works: I'm not exactly sure. My best guess is that if Samus is already in motion
when she starts dashing, the game is tricked into thinking she's already started running.
Of course, since it's the same distance, this wouldn't explain it. The simple fact is that
it DOES work, regardless of how, so feel free to abuse it.

Straight from the Glitch FAQ.

C. Quick-charge Speed   (met.exploit.quick)
   Source: ???
   You Need: Speed Booster

Explanation: This glitch reduces the amount of room you need to charge up to full speed.

Where to do it: You can put this glitch to work for you anywhere you can run full speed.
 
   How to do it: Instead of holding [dash] when you start walking, take a step or two first and
   THEN hold [dash].  Samus will charge up quicker than normal.

Why it's useful: Certainly, anywhere you can gain invincible speed mode a second or so early
   everywhere on Zebes is beneficial.  But there are a few places where this move is critical.
   For one, it's a real easy way to trigger the Universal Graphic Glitch (met.graphic.uni).
   For another, you can use it to build up speed jumps in places they'd otherwise be impossible.
   The series of pillars just outside the Wrecked Ship, for example, usually takes about a 
   minute of low-angled jumps or grapping to get across.  Use this glitch, and you can pass it
   in seconds.

Why it works: I'm not exactly sure.  My best guess is that if Samus is already in motion
   when she starts dashing, the game is tricked into thinking she's already started running.
   Of course, since it's the same distance, this wouldn't explain it.  The simple fact is that
   it DOES work, regardless of how, so feel free to abuse it.

Straight from the Glitch FAQ.

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nate

2005-03-14 06:51:25 pm

君だけの

光になると

if the (E) in the name of your rom stands for european, you will need to find another version of the rom. the european version has version differences that probably hinder your ability to perform many of the tricks shown on this site. also, all speed runs shown at sda were recorded using the north american version of the game.

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Yoshi348

2005-03-14 06:54:08 pm

PAGE BREAKER

Ready and willing.

Any more version differences? Are they all related to the 5/6ths thing (which it seems like the shorter shinespark might be)?

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nate

2005-03-14 07:02:11 pm

君だけの

光になると

evilchen is officially needed in this forum twice over.

though scarlet may know some off the top of her head, just from talking to evilchen etc.

Anakha:

registered on 2005-03-14 06:08:25 pm.

Location: Sweden

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2005-03-14 07:07:58 pm

Thanks for the replies Ziptnf and njahnke :)

That explains the first part, hopefully the version explains the second part... the door opens faster...

Is there any way to see the rom is the NA version? different size or maybe the header is different?

//Anakha

edit: I saw the PAL / NTSC info when loading the rom

Purple Lizard:

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Purple Lizard

2005-03-14 07:25:47 pm

I think one difference that I know of is in upper norfair. When you first enter, and get past the first 2 heated rooms, you end up in a room with several small platforms, and rising lava. If I'm going by Scarlet's 0:55 run, it's in segment 2, at the 13:50 mark. In the NA version, the lava doesn't start rising right away, allowing her to roll underneath the platforms for a good while. In the european version, the lava starts rising right away, hindering an attempt to roll underneath all of the platforms.

Anakha:

registered on 2005-03-14 06:08:25 pm.

Location: Sweden

2005-03-14 07:31:34 pm

That is correct Purple Lizard, it starts right away.

By the way I now found some NTSC versions of the game but snes9x 1.43 report bad checksum on all of them :(
but they do load and seems to be playable...

//Anakha

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nate

2005-03-14 07:34:55 pm

君だけの

光になると

i get bad checksum on my copy of the rom, too ... not sure what that means exactly.

i'll bet you kejardon could tell us, though.

Roxinos:

registered on 2004-12-27 03:39:19 pm.

Location: Miami, FL

2005-03-14 07:43:10 pm

Or...it could be just that he is timing it wrong...*shrugs* simple as that...fire super missile then a half a second later do the super dash...not at the same time...though you might have already heard that before...if you have...then trial and error is all I have to say...

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Kridly

2005-03-14 08:28:51 pm

Well, he said that the Super Missile is in the same place as in the vid when he grabs the missile pack, or even further to the right, so I don't think that's it.

Roxinos:

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view all posts by Red Scarlet

2005-03-14 08:34:16 pm

He said...he has no way of knowing for sure unless he is a genious and can count frames and pixels and screens and all that jazz at a glance...but that's very much possible...or maybe I'm just stupid and I can't do it but other's can...which is also possible...

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Red Scarlet

2005-03-14 08:47:46 pm

I('d) like to watch (some MP3 runs)

The only differences that come to my mind between the PAL and US version are the speed that blocks crumble is slower, letting you just roll to the early Supers, being able to pull off a spark charge in Draygon's room just by running, and PB66 is easily obtainable in a PAL No Boss/Mini Boss run.

Never really played the PAL rom though, so I don't know of any other ones.

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Chanoire

2005-03-14 09:00:43 pm

Quote from Roxinos:

Or...it could be just that he is timing it wrong...*shrugs* simple as that...fire super missile then a half a second later do the super dash...not at the same time...though you might have already heard that before...if you have...then trial and error is all I have to say...

Half a second? Don't think it's that long:

Quote from Red Scarlet:

You have to hit jump + shoot at the same time, and then almost immediately after (but not at the same time), tap right on the d-pad. If the Super sticks out of the black box when you get the missile just like in the video, you got it.

Anywhere else to the left or right, and the Super will either go off the screen and you will smack the door, or you will smack the door while it is still opening.

I think I got it to work 1 time with the Super in a different position, but I can't remember where the position was.

http://www.metroid2002.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1029&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=50

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Bladegash

2005-03-15 02:07:04 am

Quote from Red Scarlet:

[...]
being able to pull off a spark charge in Draygon's room just by running,
[...]

That's possible in the US/J version as well.

Red Scarlet:

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Red Scarlet

2005-03-15 02:22:43 am

I('d) like to watch (some MP3 runs)

Doesn't that require having a blob attached? Or that basically emu-only charge?

I mean the normal/quick charge way.

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Zeke

2005-03-15 02:41:23 am

Time bomb set get out fast!

Quote from Red Scarlet:

Or that basically emu-only charge?

Is this the 11-block charge I've heard about? I can't find the post, but I could swear Kejardon mentioned something like that.

Anakha:

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Location: Sweden

view all posts by Skreemaster

2005-03-15 06:04:25 am

Quote from Roxinos:

He said...he has no way of knowing for sure unless he is a genious and can count frames and pixels and screens and all that jazz at a glance...but that's very much possible...or maybe I'm just stupid and I can't do it but other's can...which is also possible...

You don't have to be a genious to see that ;)

I'll see if I can fit the pictures in here...

This is taken from scarlets video, a real masterpiece by the way :)
It's pretty small pic, but the important is the help lines i put there...

The same picture, blown up with 400%:

This is from emu, the PAL version

The supermissile is in my eyes clearly more to the right, it still opens the door but i still smash into it.

//Anakha

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Skreemaster

2005-03-15 07:06:00 am

I'll be back. Maybe...

GENIUS

Roxinos:

registered on 2004-12-27 03:39:19 pm.

Location: Miami, FL

2005-03-15 07:33:36 am

Wow...I thought I didn't have a life...all I have to say now...is that you are screwed...

Anakha:

registered on 2005-03-14 06:08:25 pm.

Location: Sweden

2005-03-15 08:03:02 am

Quote from Roxinos:

Wow...I thought I didn't have a life...all I have to say now...is that you are screwed...

Ehum... well excuse me for showing what I meant, and who are you to define how a life should be spent ;)

If you have the urge to disrespect me, please do it in a private message and don't spam the thread...

Anyhow, I did the stunt in an NTSC version of the rom and yes it worked like a charm. Guess this will chalk up to another difference between the versions...

//Anakha

Roxinos:

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