While rummaging for information last night, I stumbled across an interesting post made by Master ZED:
The post is in a small topic on gamefaqs, so you may not have seen it before. The latter half of it is common knowledge (although I'm not sure anyone's ever attempted that wallcrawl before without the Light Suit). The first half on the other hand I at least have never heard of before. If anyone knows anything about it, tell me. I want to know what he's talking about.
Whether or not accessing the Sky Temple without the Light Suit is possible (I'm giving Master ZED benefit of the doubt), the problem of acquiring the Sky Temple Keys submerged in dark water remains. On that end, I recall a pair of old topics I also found recently.
http://m2k2.taigaforum.com/post/power_bombs_right_after_dark_suit.html
http://m2k2.taigaforum.com/post/early_power_bomb_expansion_question.html
Flamancipator jumps into a room as it secretizes around him to allow himself to grab an expansion. This isn't anything new, and Miles does something like it in the new 100% IIRC. What's different is that Flamancipator also has dark water load around him after dropping beneath where the surface would be. DJGrenola claims in the second topic that you can get stuck in the dark water if it fully loads around you. Speed and method may play a factor.
I do need to ask a question. To what extent can elements of the environment be effected in secretized rooms? I know, for instance, that power bomb gates are destructible, but can beacons be activated? Enemies destroyed? Skipping the Light Suit looks like a stretch (if anything would be the killer, it would probably be Dungeon), but I'm still interested in knowing how much of this is possible at this time.
Quote from Master ZED:
I will say this however; the dark water is the only reason Light Suit is unskippable. The light leading to and from the Sky Temple doesn't require the Light Suit to work, and Hive Entrance was solved without Light Suit and Screw Attack for NSJ game purposes (though the wallcrawl is a huge pain in the ass just because of the Unseen Way/Culling Chamber door (dunno if that second room name is right)).
The post is in a small topic on gamefaqs, so you may not have seen it before. The latter half of it is common knowledge (although I'm not sure anyone's ever attempted that wallcrawl before without the Light Suit). The first half on the other hand I at least have never heard of before. If anyone knows anything about it, tell me. I want to know what he's talking about.
Whether or not accessing the Sky Temple without the Light Suit is possible (I'm giving Master ZED benefit of the doubt), the problem of acquiring the Sky Temple Keys submerged in dark water remains. On that end, I recall a pair of old topics I also found recently.
http://m2k2.taigaforum.com/post/power_bombs_right_after_dark_suit.html
http://m2k2.taigaforum.com/post/early_power_bomb_expansion_question.html
Flamancipator jumps into a room as it secretizes around him to allow himself to grab an expansion. This isn't anything new, and Miles does something like it in the new 100% IIRC. What's different is that Flamancipator also has dark water load around him after dropping beneath where the surface would be. DJGrenola claims in the second topic that you can get stuck in the dark water if it fully loads around you. Speed and method may play a factor.
I do need to ask a question. To what extent can elements of the environment be effected in secretized rooms? I know, for instance, that power bomb gates are destructible, but can beacons be activated? Enemies destroyed? Skipping the Light Suit looks like a stretch (if anything would be the killer, it would probably be Dungeon), but I'm still interested in knowing how much of this is possible at this time.
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