My take on the Adam incident (Spoilers, of course)

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2010-12-16 07:01:05 am

"At the same time, a thought crossed my mind. That howl I heard earlier... Could this creature have been the source?"

9:40

Ridley obviously manipulated Samus, screeching to agitate the Ki Hunters and force her to fight them so that it could later feast on the honey.

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2010-12-16 04:14:19 pm

ANKOKU

It wasn't the quote we couldn't remember, it was the screech at 6:08 we didn't remember.

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UchihaSasuke

2010-12-16 04:18:35 pm

my umbrella goes directly to Bankai

the blood should have been purple.

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2010-12-16 06:01:35 pm

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I'm pretty sure why you said that, but on a realistic note: Why is there never purple blood? I always see red and green, but never purple. Or any other colours, come to think of it. Why not yellow? Or pink? Blue? Come on games, mix it up a bit!

On a completely random note: Firefox wants me to spell colors as colours. When did I become English? (I think England does that. Not sure though.) And Firefox isn't recognized as a word either. Seriously Firefox, fix your spell check. (Adding Metroid, Samus, etc. would also be a plus.)

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2010-12-16 06:15:52 pm

ANKOKU

It's because developers have one thing to look forward to the entire time they're working, and it's explainable with one word...

CHRISTMAS!!!

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MetroidJunkie

2010-12-16 08:14:53 pm

Well, the Saban Dragonball Z Dub replaces Piccolo's purple/red blood with green blood. Perhaps purple blood is too similar to regular blood?

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2010-12-16 10:49:26 pm

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Quote from Metroid_Zelda Fan:

I'm pretty sure why you said that, but on a realistic note: Why is there never purple blood? I always see red and green, but never purple. Or any other colours, come to think of it. Why not yellow? Or pink? Blue? Come on games, mix it up a bit!

Halo has purple. Also orange and neon blue!

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2010-12-16 11:57:34 pm

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I don't play Halo, so I can't tell if you're serious or not. But if you are (unlikely), then that's pretty cool.

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tomatobob

2010-12-17 12:06:44 am

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I'm serious, Elites have purple blood, I think Grunts have bright ass blue, and Hunters have orange blood. It's neat.

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UchihaSasuke

2010-12-17 12:10:05 am

my umbrella goes directly to Bankai

Quote from MetroidJunkie:

Well, the Saban Dragonball Z Dub replaces Piccolo's purple/red blood with green blood. Perhaps purple blood is too similar to regular blood?

i watched the untouched latin american dub and it looked weird seeing Piccolo cycle between red/green/purple blood across the series. purple was the most fitting color though.

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2010-12-17 07:00:17 am

Quote from UchihaSasuke:

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Well, the Saban Dragonball Z Dub replaces Piccolo's purple/red blood with green blood. Perhaps purple blood is too similar to regular blood?

i watched the untouched latin american dub and it looked weird seeing Piccolo cycle between red/green/purple blood across the series. purple was the most fitting color though.

Yeah, it's a continuity error that's fixed in Kai. In the Nicktoons/4-Kids version, however, the blood is still changed to green or, in one case, just edited to be not dripping.

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2011-01-21 02:41:07 pm

Time bomb set get out fast!

Back on topic, here's a link I've been meaning to post for a while. It's an interesting and disturbing take on the Samus/Adam relationship in Other M. Ultimately I don't buy it, but it definitely made me think twice about the scenes in question.

http://moonbase.rydia.net/mental/blog/gaming/metroid-other-m-the-elephant/article.html

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tomatobob

2011-01-21 04:20:21 pm

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That's actually a really good read. It really interesting to me how so many people came to such similar conclusions about Other M so quickly, it certainly suggests something about the writing.

The idea of Sakamoto being Stephanie Miller is possibly the funniest thing that has entered my brain this month.

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2011-01-21 09:43:12 pm

Da hell wid you :)

That was a good read. Although it was written with negativity towards the story, it's actually made me want to adress the story now instead of ignore it. Which will be what I'll do when I play it again.

I think he raised a good point about the abuse Samus endures from Adam and how one playing the game should interpret that as abuse. However I thought he may have been looking into it too much by raising the possiblity that Sakamoto was perhaps 'sick' and embracing todays culture into his latest project. Merely he could have been adressing a bad trend and fleshing it out in his game and the natural result is our anger towards it. Especially when the women in question is samus who we've believed to be the opposite all these years. I'm not one to get too farsighted and I know this has been adressed before but I can't help but start to think after reading that, that all this...negativity is all part of Sakamoto's plan. That, or of course, just sloppy storytelling.

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2011-01-21 10:20:24 pm

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I think he raised a good point about the abuse Samus endures from Adam and how one playing the game should interpret that as abuse. However I thought he may have been looking into it too much by raising the possiblity that Sakamoto was perhaps 'sick' and embracing todays culture into his latest project.

It's a possibility they bring up because it is one that needs to be considered, either it's accidental or it's intentional. If it's intentional and meant to incite anger at the situation that that's all well and good, but it takes a very good writer to actually do that properly, it requires a certain subtlety that Sakamoto clearly lacks. Not to mention that there's really nothing in the game to indicate that you are supposed to to view Adam negatively, you are definitely meant to be sympathetic towards Samus but that doesn't work either. And of course there was Sakamoto going on and on in the build up to release about how this was supposed to be the game that really defines who Samus is and apparently correct misconceptions about the character people my have gained from the Prime games. It sort of eliminates the possibility of some sort of commentary on it's own when you look at how bad the writing is.

But yeah, if it makes you try to look into the story a bit, then that's cool. You definitely should, it's really too bad that video games have conditioned the players to ignore story elements by being so bad at them because I really do believe there's room for some legitimately good and inventive story telling in the medium.

As an aside:

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before Other M I did not think about what kind of person Samus Aran was and how she thinks and her personality….Plus because of the existence of the Metroid Prime series many people might have different ideas about what kind of person Samus Aran was….So with Other M I really wanted to determine and express what kind of human Samus Aran is so that we can really tell what kind of natural step she should be taking in the future.

Holy shit. That's John Romero level self importance. Well these people are just SO WRONG about this character I haven't thought much about, time to show them what's RIGHT! Holy balls.

That really does not sound to me like a guy that wanted to make a statement about the state of women in today's media, more like a guy who had no clue what he wanted this character to be and ended up trying to define the character entirely on their gender because he really had nothing else to go on and is also a terrible writer. Or maybe actually does hold abhorrent views on women. But it's more likely he's just hack. Or very committed troll.

[quote="Behemoth"]I think he raised a good point about the abuse Samus endures from Adam and how one playing the game should interpret that as abuse. However I thought he may have been looking into it too much by raising the possiblity that Sakamoto was perhaps 'sick' and embracing todays culture into his latest project.[/quote]
It's a possibility they bring up because it is one that needs to be considered, either it's accidental or it's intentional. If it's intentional and [i]meant[/i] to incite anger at the situation that that's all well and good, but it takes a very good writer to actually do that properly, it requires a certain subtlety that Sakamoto clearly lacks. Not to mention that there's really nothing in the game to indicate that you are [i]supposed[/i] to to view Adam negatively, you are definitely meant to be sympathetic towards Samus but that doesn't work either. And of course there was Sakamoto going on and on in the build up to release about how this was supposed to be the game that really defines who Samus is and apparently correct misconceptions about the character people my have gained from the Prime games. It sort of eliminates the possibility of some sort of commentary on it's own when you look at how bad the writing is.

But yeah, if it makes you try to look into the story a bit, then that's cool. You definitely should, it's really too bad that video games have conditioned the players to ignore story elements by being so bad at them because I really do believe there's room for some legitimately good and inventive story telling in the medium.

As an aside: 
[quote="Seriously what?"]before Other M I did not think about what kind of person Samus Aran was and how she thinks and her personality….Plus because of the existence of the Metroid Prime series many people might have different ideas about what kind of person Samus Aran was….So with Other M I really wanted to determine and express what kind of human Samus Aran is so that we can really tell what kind of natural step she should be taking in the future.[/quote]
Holy shit. That's John Romero level self importance. Well these people are just [i]SO WRONG[/i] about this character I haven't thought much about, time to show them what's RIGHT! Holy balls.

That really does not sound to me like a guy that wanted to make a statement about the state of women in today's media, more like a guy who had no clue what he wanted this character to be and ended up trying to define the character entirely on their gender because he really had nothing else to go on and is also a terrible writer. Or maybe actually does hold abhorrent views on women. But it's more likely he's just hack. Or very committed troll.

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2011-01-21 10:34:08 pm

I like turtles.

Or a mixture of all of the above.

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Behemoth

2011-01-21 10:47:04 pm

Da hell wid you :)

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But yeah, if it makes you try to look into the story a bit, then that's cool. You definitely should, it's really too bad that video games have conditioned the players to ignore story elements by being so bad at them because I really do believe there's room for some legitimately good and inventive story telling in the medium.

I normally wouldn't ignore the story but I guess other M being so story driven that it was a shock to the system for me. A Metroid game with speech, multiple lengthy cutscenes... pah, let's just play... I was taking it in but not letting any kind of opinion on it gestate, but that's gonna change.

It's just a shame the actual game for me is rather redundant, then the story could just be there alongside it being a small ditractor.

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sabata2

2011-01-21 10:49:51 pm

ANKOKU

I... I'm not sure I can play Fusion again.

Or even "sit through" the story of Other M like I have been able to...

NEXT GAME NEEDS TO MAKE CANON THAT OTHER M WAS A DREAM.