Metroid 25th anniversary

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2011-08-15 09:03:19 am

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nah there hasn't been a good metroid game since 2002

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2011-08-15 09:12:48 am

I like turtles.

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2011-08-15 01:21:47 pm

Well, when you compare two of the best games in the series to anything coming after it's hard not to say that. (Although I'd put ZM up there with Prime, Fusion, and Super) I've still got the mindset that ALL of the Metroid games, Hunters and Other M included, have something worth playing them for and are still better than a lot of games outside the Metroid series. I've long accepted that I'm one of the few that sees things this way, but to immediately write off 1/2 to 2/3 of the series because they can't compare to the best ones is kinda stupid if you ask me.

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2011-08-15 01:22:06 pm

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The more I think about it, the more I come to the uneasy conclusion that it killed the series.

nah, a lone title can't kill a series, and... aside from the story that i admit was sketchy, the rest of the game is good enough...

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2011-08-15 03:29:49 pm

I like turtles.

Hm, well, I guess the Mario games survived Sunshine, and that had the most horrid story and dialogue of its series... and then it did a complete 180 with Galaxy, where the writers finally learned some subtlety.

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2011-08-15 03:30:55 pm

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i agree. after all, the mario series is renowned for its first-class storytelling and dialogue.

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2011-08-15 08:06:47 pm

Death to skinfags, sieg heil.

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Hm, well, I guess the Mario games survived Sunshine, and that had the most horrid story and dialogue of its series... and then it did a complete 180 with Galaxy, where the writers finally learned some subtlety.

:v but Sunshine was one of the best mario games, who cares about story when the gameplay is solid and fun

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rekameohs

2011-08-16 01:33:52 am

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Yeah, Mario Sunshine at least had good gameplay to go along with its terrible cutscenes, something with Other M clearly lacks.

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2011-08-16 06:18:12 am

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revisionist history sucks.

Mario Sunshine had nowhere near the level of backlash Other M, or Wind Waker got. hell, even Mario Kart DD had more backlash back in the day and the MK series is at its strongest right now in popularity. i'd say even SMB2-USA had a worse reputation than Sunshine.

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2011-08-16 11:43:52 am

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heh ... that's funny because i was like 6 or 7 at the time and i had no idea. mario 3 was brand new and my friend's older brother wouldn't let us play it, so we were "stuck with" 2 and of course 1. i don't think i even understood the concept of some games being better than others. it was only many years later that i found out "the truth" about usa mario 2. and of course that diminished it in my mind. it would have diminished it even a few years later, when i was about 8 or 9 and started to think of everything japanese as superior. but it was never about the gameplay or anything. i just accepted everything as it was.

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2011-08-16 04:28:28 pm

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2011-08-16 05:11:47 pm

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2011-08-17 04:51:35 pm

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the guys who made the crystal flash medley made 6 musics to celebrate the anniversary too, but i am too lazy to post the link here...

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samthedigital

2011-08-22 09:59:51 am

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nah there hasn't been a good metroid game since 2002

What's wrong with Zero Mission?

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2011-08-22 10:02:55 am

I like turtles.

The sequence breaking is all intentional and they still make sequence breaking impossible where they don't actually want you to break sequence, so the whole game is a disgrace... or so the reasoning goes?

But personally, I think the only thing wrong with it is the endgame - y'know, the stealth sequence and the padding in the case of 100% runs.

Still my favorite game in the series.

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samthedigital

2011-08-22 07:10:14 pm

There is still the acid worm skip, but the fact that there aren't glitches to sequence break doesn't change that sequence breaking is possible intentional or not.

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Poision Envy

2011-08-22 08:20:54 pm

Death to skinfags, sieg heil.

Personally I think when judging whether a game is good or not you shouldn't look at sequence breaks and skips like that. Course this IS a speedrunning forum and all that, but you get what I mean.

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2011-08-22 08:50:07 pm

I feel that what's important is multiple possible sequences, intended or not. Zero Mission has that. Not nearly as many as Prime, Echoes, and Super, which can legitimately be held against it when comparing it to those games, but it has enough options to make it a great Metroid game, unlike Fusion and Other M. I personally hold Fusion as a solid game in its own right, but it's still an issue it has that Zero Mission lacks.

Now, the thrill of discovering a new sequence break is another matter, but it's hard to justify holding that against the developers and the overall quality of the game rather than just personal enjoyment of it.

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Idkbutlike2

2011-08-22 09:47:06 pm

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The biggest problem in ZM IMO is the whole ship crashing and stealth sequence. It just creates a huge roadblock in the game and ruins its pacing.

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2011-08-22 10:12:22 pm

I always hear everybody hating that part of the game, and yet its one of my favorite segments. Go figure.

Part of that is the ability to completely decimate the pirates right after, but I like the actual stealth aspect of it too.

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TheGreenManalishi

2011-08-23 05:25:01 am

The flesh is spongy and bruised

It's not that long a segment, either. It's only if you get a bad fight against the ghost that it gets really annoying.

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Turtle

2011-08-23 09:21:58 am

I like turtles.

For me it's sneaking past all the Pirates and searchlights without getting killed that's annoying. I have never, ever had a problem with the shrine boss thingy.

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2011-08-27 11:13:02 am

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i like the zero suit part on ZM, i like the scape sequence of other M too...

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UchihaSasuke

2011-08-28 10:31:01 pm

my umbrella goes directly to Bankai

the other m escape was one of the best parts of the game. at least they nailed that one, unlike retro who can't make an escape sequence to save themselves.

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tomatobob

2011-08-28 10:42:54 pm

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That's okay because the escape sequences are the absolute worst thing about the series!