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DMantra:
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registered on 2007-11-18 01:25:47 pm.
 
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Breathe in the Future, Breathe out the Past
Quote from arkarian:

posts about your personal life are supposed to go there; they don't warrant their own topic on these boards.


And as for the fun posts, those go there too?

So in a way, what I've done was no different than making a new thread talking about a t-shirt I got half price?

Suppose the context for Ultra Rambo was different, in that it was titled something like "Imagine up your own super giant", thus giving people a chance to create their own manifestations rather than just comment on my own absurdity? 'Cause you know, with threads like that, people generally will still add to them, and do exactly what I said even if the context was never changed.
Opium:
registered on 2008-08-19 01:51:50 pm.
 
Gender: female
Servin' you realness!!
Hmm...sounds like at one time or another just about everyone here has been really pissed off by something a mod has decided to do/say.  I know I have, but I've gotten over it.  I understand and appreciate the need to keep the forums from becoming gamefaqs, and at the same time I understand that the mods will not always do the right thing since they are human.  Maybe they said that 'nobody cares' because they were tired and grouchy, maybe they had a couple beers, or maybe nobody really does care and they are just being blunt.  Maybe they said your post was pointless and stupid because they didn't get it and acted in haste, then again maybe it really was stupid.  I don't think for a second that they don't give a crap what people think otherwise this thread would have been locked a long time ago.  I feel like we need to have a moment like the one at the end of 'Revenge of the Nerds' when everyone hugs while Queen's 'We are the Champions' plays in the background.
Super KB:
registered on 2009-03-21 03:04:59 am.
 
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this thread reminds me, where did these adminstrators go?
http://forum.metroid2002.com/index.php?action=profile;u=10 - well....except this one
http://forum.metroid2002.com/index.php?action=profile;u=2
DMantra:
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registered on 2007-11-18 01:25:47 pm.
 
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Breathe in the Future, Breathe out the Past
Quote from Opium:

I don't think for a second that they don't give a crap what people think otherwise this thread would have been locked a long time ago.


It actually was locked earlier, but then unlocked, and now it's gone sticky.
arkarian:
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registered on 2004-09-01 04:15:32 pm.
 
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it has always seemed to me that most people think i'm being a lot more serious than i am in nearly every instance. i often say stuff like "no one cares", but i don't intend it in a hurtful way. of course it comes across like that though, probably because i'm very direct with my moderation and the majority of users here don't know me very well, and that's why many users don't care for me.

another fault of mine is that i don't care if users don't care for me, which is why moderators far more diplomatic than me, such as saber and jagger, are here. we'll see what saber comes up with tomorrow.
Paraxade:
registered on 2007-08-21 10:04:10 pm.
 
Quote from arkarian:

Quote from Paraxade:

particularly when someone posts something about their life, even if it's in the social topic, and they immediately get blasted with responses going "no one cares", that's just unnecessarily being an asshole.


not sure what you mean. as long as it's in the social topic, i don't believe people are getting "blasted". posts about your personal life are supposed to go there; they don't warrant their own topic on these boards. this is a primarily a metroid forum.


eh, obviously I'm not looking through all 578 pages just to find an example, but I know I've seen this on numerous occasions in that thread. Though if it's meant to be said jokingly, this is the sort of thing where you'd have to make it very clear that you're joking, because otherwise people WILL take offense to it, especially since this is over the Internet where detecting sarcasm and satire isn't as easy half the time if it's not completely obvious.
Poision Envy:
registered on 2008-10-25 08:56:26 pm.
 
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Location: I'm outta place, I'm in outer space
Death to skinfags, sieg heil.
I usually take offense to those snotty things Tbob says back to me, but I usually get over it later. I just don't know why he's been acting all weird lately. Maybe summer is just a bad time for him <_<
tomatobob:
registered on 2004-03-27 12:44:30 am.
 
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I'd like to think it's pretty clear when I'm not being serious... usually a lack of capital letters and the addition of emoticons indicates that I'm just dicking around.
arkarian:
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registered on 2004-09-01 04:15:32 pm.
 
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everyone: please don't take anything tomatobob says as being serious. 99% of the time lately, he's not.

Quote from Paraxade:

Though if it's meant to be said jokingly, this is the sort of thing where you'd have to make it very clear that you're joking, because otherwise people WILL take offense to it, especially since this is over the Internet where detecting sarcasm and satire isn't as easy half the time if it's not completely obvious.


i completely agree. like i said, it's a flaw of mine which is why i do very little moderation these days.
Poision Envy:
registered on 2008-10-25 08:56:26 pm.
 
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Quote from tomatobob:

I'd like to think it's pretty clear when I'm not being serious... usually a lack of capital letters and the addition of emoticons indicates that I'm just dicking around.


It usually is clear when you aren't being serious, but even when you aren't it can still be mean. It's probably just me but usually the comebacks like "Nobody cares" actually hurts and I don't see a point in it if you are just joking. If you say "Nobody cares" and you are just kidding, then what good does that do? Even if everybody knows you are kidding, it's not funny. And if you aren't doing it to  be funny, then what are you doing it for? To fill the sarcasm meter for the day? It just seems like pointless assholery to me. Realistically you aren't just 100% kidding though. Usually the comments will be overly-blunt, and then a little witty comment added at the end to make it "funny". Then if the person you are saying it to takes offense to it, you can just say "Oh, you shouldn't take me so seriously" and then blow it off and do it again. I'm probably over-reacting to it but it's been annoying me for awhile, and it seems like I'm the ONLY ONE who seems to notice it. And it's not just Tbob that does it (but Tbob does seem to be the starter of this trend).

I'm not really mad, so don't think of this a flame or anything. It's nighttime and I have a bad headache and needed to vent.


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Quote from tomatobob:

yeah, fuck those guys, man. sittin' on our oil an' shit, who fuckin' needs them.


Things like that is fine with me, but I just don't like it when you direct the sarcastic assholery directly to someone's personal post.
arkarian:
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yeah i totally understand. i'm not asking for users to "just shrug it off"; it's a flaw of mine, not yours. i've been working on it over the past few years and i think the best course of action is for me to just do less actual moderation, and i do.
JaggerG:
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registered on 2004-03-31 07:12:40 pm.
 
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Quote from DMantra:

Quote from Opium:

I don't think for a second that they don't give a crap what people think otherwise this thread would have been locked a long time ago.


It actually was locked earlier, but then unlocked, and now it's gone sticky.

Oh so it actually did get locked? I'm not sure if it's a glitch or if someone unlocked it and forgot to tell someone, but even the person that locked it figured it probably is better left unlocked. :^/

I agree that the sarcasm and elitism has been going a bit far lately. Half the time it's all in good fun, but sometimes it has been excessive. I just figured maybe it's a bad day or something, so I let it go.
tomatobob:
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Quote from Poision Envy:

And it's not just Tbob that does it (but Tbob does seem to be the starter of this trend).


I'd like to officially go on record as saying, and I have stated something like this before, the last thing we need is people trying to imitate me. Seriously don't do it. It's a really, really bad idea. I'm pretty much the last person you'd want to be.

Quote from Poision Envy:

I'm not really mad, so don't think of this a flame or anything. It's nighttime and I have a bad headache and needed to vent.


I think this is pretty much in line with what this topic is for, and I don't mind addressing this kind of thing since I like good posts and I like to encourage more of those.


On the topic itself: It would be nice if those with complaints about the administrative policies would do more than just ask "what happened to m2k2" or complain about how we can't have fun. If you have a point you'd like to make, state it.

Bring up your point and expand upon it, what exactly is the problem you have? Provide and example and present an alternative approach or solution. How would you handle it? What would you do? Why is it a problem?

Give the administration something to work with, don't just complain, provide alternatives. They aren't as averse to change as you'd think, but you have to approach in a way that makes the issues clear and provides some way to make the forum more enjoyable for all involved. You can't just throw out a complaint and expect a sudden change of heart, there needs to be some understanding between the two sides if you want anything done. If you aren't willing to express your opinion in a constructive manner then why exactly do you expect anyone to care? No one likes whining.

It should also be noted that when joining a forum you are joining that community, they are not joining you. You have to find you own place in it, they will not make one for you. Upon joining you agreed to follow the rules and policies laid down by those in charge, you do not get to come in and start making demands, you agreed to submit to the practices of the administration. This is not a democracy and you do not choose representatives.

That said, there is always room for improvement and the administration does have to adapt to the changing face of the community, but adapting doesn't mean throwing precedent out the window the precedent for rulings on particular issues has already been set; however, the administration will have to make some concessions regarding their methods of enforcement. It is very easy to stick with what worked in the past with a much smaller group of people who were familiar with each other, in that case you are fairly certain how each user will act in a given situation and so you know how to approach that situation, this stops being the case as a new, larger group starts coming in. That is when moderation practices will have to be adapted to fit the new user but, again, they won't really be able to make the necessary alterations unless those new users care enough and are willing enough to provide some constructive criticism and feedback to make it work.

It should be understood though that you still have to abide by their rules, you can get them to look at the situation differently and handle it in a different manner, but you are not going to make them change the forum itself into anything and everything you want it to be. You joined it, you did so agreeing to its standards on its terms. No one is going to sell its soul to you. The best you can do is present ways to improve the experience for everyone on it and as long as you do so in the correct manner you'll do alright.
Quietus:
registered on 2008-09-13 07:03:27 pm.
 
Gender: male
Super Secret Area - Dead Ahead!
I can't really add much here that hasn't already been said, so I'll just quote some peeps:

Quote from arkarian:
the forum thrives on metroid games. if there isn't any new metroid stuff to talk about, the forums are dead. hopefully when other m is released there'll be more activity 'round here.


While this is true to a degree, there are still a number of users who have made efforts to fit in, but regular posts such as this:

Quote from tomatobob:
All the cool people left a long time ago. That's what happened.


And this:

Quote from Maur:
When you find out where Ekarderif went, give me a call.


Lead the a lot of people, myself included, to feel like this:

Quote from Zhs2:
It always struck me as a "inb4 2006 or we h8 u" kinda thing.
DJGrenola:
is in the group Global Moderator.
registered on 2004-10-11 03:16:49 am.
 
Location: ein Banning
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I think the discontent here can be reduced to a very simple problem: Some people think that in the absence of Metroid games, the site should be allowed to serve a wider social function. Others think otherwise. Note that by "people" here I am referring to both users and moderators.

If I ever do anything as a moderator that irks you, feel free to complain. However, I've only used my mod powers in anger a handful of times. My attitude has always been to wait and see, since stupid or heated threads will often die of their own accord. If left, good things will sometimes emerge from them. Communities composed of mostly intelligent people are often self-moderating, and I include in that the process of rejecting new blood that isn't suitable.

Sometimes, moderators just want to go back to being normal users. A moderator can try to put users first, in which case he will lose his ability to express himself freely. Or, he can continue to act as he did when he was among the proletariat, but then other users will get upset at a perceived abuse of power. It is rather suffocating. Acute spells of inappropriate moderator behaviour as a group can possibly be attributed to the collective need to blow off steam as a result of the constraining situation they find themselves in.

Another class of problem, also common, includes the "Bored Moderator" / "I-Must-Do-My-Job Moderator" / "Too Many Moderators" set. These have different causes, but the end result (that threads get locked prematurely in the eyes of users) is the same.

ryu:
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registered on 2004-02-10 05:03:19 pm.
 
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So I was too lazy to post here last night and, as always, 4 pages. Gunship.

Anyway, this might have been posted before, but I think the mods are actually pretty lax. If anything, this forum's going downhill due to the lack of those people who made this place the place it used to be.

There's a reason I don't feel like reading those 4 pages. Heck. Just the complaint of people being upset about mods closing unnecessary topics saddens me.

Some people here don't seem to have enough internet experience to know what would happen if the mods were even more relaxed than they already are.

However I can understand the complaint on how nobody seems to care for personal issues, but that's not because of the mods or admins, it's because of the user base in general. m2k2 just isn't the right board for these kind of things, though I myself think I'd be cool if people could get on worthy discussions about personal stuff more often.
Quietus:
registered on 2008-09-13 07:03:27 pm.
 
Gender: male
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Quote from Ryu:
If anything, this forum's going downhill due to the lack of those people who made this place the place it used to be.


This is the exact sort of post I was on about above, and only serves (in my opinion) to make those that are here less interested / alienated.  The impression you give is that you only want those particular people back, as everybody else is seen as inferior, so there becomes no purpose to new people signing up, as the 'favourites' could always return with their old accounts.
ryu:
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registered on 2004-02-10 05:03:19 pm.
 
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It's just that there's far more spam on here without any more people who're serious about speedrunning. Like, the people who were actually doing serious and interesting discussions about the Metroid games are missing.

All we have now are people discussing wether Ridly is officially dead or something.

Gunships.
Paraxade:
registered on 2007-08-21 10:04:10 pm.
 
^Though to be fair, if you stick all sequence breaking/speed trick discussion in one thread and all speedrun progress in another that leaves a lot of space for more "casual"-type threads. :P
DJGrenola:
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registered on 2004-10-11 03:16:49 am.
 
Location: ein Banning
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Quote from Quietus:

Quote from Ryu:
If anything, this forum's going downhill due to the lack of those people who made this place the place it used to be.


This is the exact sort of post I was on about above, and only serves (in my opinion) to make those that are here less interested / alienated.  The impression you give is that you only want those particular people back, as everybody else is seen as inferior, so there becomes no purpose to new people signing up, as the 'favourites' could always return with their old accounts.


I think older members tend to hanker after a bygone age when internet-enabled, community-based speed running was fresh and glamorous and exciting, and when there was genuine work to be done in this regard on Metroid games. The Golden Age is gone, and no amount of old members returning will bring it back.
arkarian:
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Quote from DJGrenola:

If I ever do anything as a moderator that irks you, feel free to complain. However, I've only used my mod powers in anger a handful of times. My attitude has always been to wait and see, since stupid or heated threads will often die of their own accord. If left, good things will sometimes emerge from them. Communities composed of mostly intelligent people are often self-moderating, and I include in that the process of rejecting new blood that isn't suitable.


i'd like to add that this is probably true for all the moderators here. i've locked a good deal of topics after just a few posts, but i've also let a lot of topics go. same for the rest of the mods. not doing anything is often the best course of action.
Boris:
registered on 2009-03-02 11:03:21 am.
 
The Overlord of All Acorns.
the reason this forum is dying is because of this:

This site was established in 2002, out of discussion about Metroid Prime.  This was only the fourth (or fifth, considering how Fusion and Prime were released at the same time) game of the series.  It was a very wide open game.  Lots of fun to be had, lots of exploiting to be done.  You could go anywhere.  Fusion was a complete contrast to this.  You could explore, but it was regulated, and the game was incredibly linear.

Then was... ZM, right?  It's an awesome game, and proof that they can build SBing into a game while still having it be enjoyable.  Things looked up.

Then came MP2 (iirc).  Not nearly as wide open, but still open enough to give people a bit of a challenge to find stuff.  Of course, it was blown wide open within a few months of its release, but generally, people like SBing inside the bounds of the level instead of doing secret world work.  People complained about the player being more contained, Retro/Nintendo didn't give two shits.  The game didn't generate more money than the first, and for a variety of reasons, it was the to-be-expected-shitty-sequel (not that it's a bad game, it's that sequels always suck).

Then came Hunters.  This generated interest, because it brought a new crowd.  Maybe not here, but to the franchise in general.  Multiplayer, actual working multiplayer (until it was destroyed by the DS's lack of patch capability).  Single player sucked, I contributed one major break, and iirc, there really wasn't much more to it aside from that funky skip-the-tunnels trick on the flame world.

Then came shitball.  who the fuck cares

Then came MP3.  Little to no outside-the-box thinking required, no real exploration.  Linear gameplay, but other than that an enjoyable game.  This is a stark contrast to MP, where you could explore basically to your heart's content.  Nintendo liked that this generated plenty of sales (didn't it?), and doesn't seem to want to change that gameplan.  However, with MP3, Hunters, shitball and MP2 all in a row, this community hadn't received anything -truly- noteworthy in a long, long time, since Kip's 1:04.  (not saying that the 1:03 wasn't notable, because it is, but it's not a shocker like the 1:04 was, simply because of the single digit dropper.  Nobody outside of communities like this and SDA to people appreciate the effort that goes into that single minute (well, actually about two)).

This community needs another good metroid game to be revitalized, because frankly, the games that we've enjoyed for so long have been sucked dry.  This is where SDA  has success.  The wider approach means that new breakthroughs come through every day.

Although I've seen some new faces since I was last here, there haven't been a ton, and they about equal the number of faces that I'm missing.
TheGreenManalishi:
registered on 2008-06-30 11:04:09 am.
 
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I only joined after MP3's release, so I can't compare to the 'golden age' of speed running and sequence break-discovering that some of you speak of. I was looking for a Metroid fan community (to discuss Metroid, primarily) and was fascinated at the potential to completely fuck-up Metroid Prime merely by jumping whilst holding the L-Button. The fact that we all share a common thing - a love of games (in particular, Metroid) and the welcoming community made me stay and this is my favourite forum on the net. Other M has and will continue to spark discussion after its' release, and the users here will inevitably rip the game up to the source code.

The world of gaming outside of Metroid is contantly changing, evolving. Decisions are being made that we may or may not agree with, we discuss why. Games are released that we may or not like, we discuss why. The forum may die soon, it may be dying as I type this, but I like to think we've got some chat left in us.
KennyMan666:
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registered on 2004-02-28 08:24:37 am.
 
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m2k2 wasn't established in 2002.
arkarian:
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Location: ellicott city, md, usa
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Quote from Boris:

Although I've seen some new faces since I was last here, there haven't been a ton, and they about equal the number of faces that I'm missing.


did you used to have a different account/username? i've only seen you around within the past few months, so your post attempting to explain the history of the forum sounds very odd to me.