Iranian protests over election results

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TAxxOUTBR3AKxx: 2009-06-19 03:37:21 am

2009-06-19 03:10:28 am

*I think it's about time I stepped in....

Look, yes, the Middle East, Afghanistan where I'm it, is sitting in the slumps....3rd world countries. Yes, it sucks here, yes it's horrible. These people, I have learned, are just like you and me, but they were born and raised here. These people live with what they have, and no, not all of them are bad. Actually, a majority of them are very kind-hearted and want nothing but the Taliban to be gone.

These people live in a world of nothing but living day-to-day, while we, the USA, have all these 'precious' commodities that we take for granted. We complain about gas prices and breakups and no money. These people get shot and killed or blown up for no reason just as scare tactics for their government.

Do you even know the reason why there is suicide bombers and IED's over here? The Taliban aren't the ones doing it, they threaten families....fathers, sons, into doing this or their whole family will be killed. These people sacrifice themselves to protect their family. Would you not do the same? Now, unfortunately this is plotted against our Armed Forces, but if I had to to save my family I would. These people aren't bad, it's the Terrorists and Organizations like this that are destroying what you call "The Middle East."
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..........Ok, ~~I'm done now......~~

No, I'm not. Opium, you are ignorant in your thoughts, yes you're entitled to what you want, but being stupid with it and just "blowing everything up" will not suffice. We have huge issues in America at the moment with Obama, and there are millions of people that I am sure want to blow up USA. Yes, they do have their own religious beliefs, and Honor Killings and beating your wife are allowed. We cannot interfere. This is their country, if it was so much of a goddamm problem, we would just leave. We are here to help them, not to kill them. There is nothing more that makes me happy than helping another human being and that's what they need here. It is so bad here that even the Afghan National Army and Police also get corrupted, and some of them do attack us. There's nothing we can do about it. That's human nature to give in to temptation. Look at America, how much do we see shootings, people getting killed maliciously, and all these horrible crimes? If anything crime is worse in America than anywhere else, but the media just blinds that out, but made me open my eyes to how much shit they go through will less than what we have....

NOW I'm done...

*I think it's about time I stepped in....

Look, yes, the Middle East, Afghanistan where I'm it, is sitting in the slumps....3rd world countries. Yes, it sucks here, yes it's horrible. These people, I have learned, are just like you and me, but they were born and raised here. These people live with what they have, and no, not all of them are bad. Actually, a majority of them are very kind-hearted and want nothing but the Taliban to be gone.

These people live in a world of nothing but living day-to-day, while we, the USA, have all these 'precious' commodities that we take for granted. We complain about gas prices and breakups and no money. These people get shot and killed or blown up for no reason just as scare tactics for their government.

Do you even know the reason why there is suicide bombers and IED's over here? The Taliban aren't the ones doing it, they threaten families....fathers, sons, into doing this or their whole family will be killed. These people sacrifice themselves to protect their family. Would you not do the same? Now, unfortunately this is plotted against our Armed Forces, but if I had to to save my family I would. These people aren't bad, it's the Terrorists and Organizations like this that are destroying what you call "The Middle East."
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..........Ok, [s]I'm done now......[/s]

No, I'm not. [b]Opium[/b], you are ignorant in your thoughts, yes you're entitled to what you want, but being stupid with it and just "blowing everything up" will not suffice. We have huge issues in America at the moment with Obama, and there are millions of people that I am sure want to blow up USA. Yes, they do have their own religious beliefs, and Honor Killings and beating your wife are allowed. We cannot interfere.  This is their country, if it was so much of a goddamm problem, we would just leave. We are here to help them, not to kill them.  There is nothing more that makes me happy than helping another human being and that's what they need here.  It is so bad here that even the Afghan National Army and Police also get corrupted, and some of them do attack us. There's nothing we can do about it. That's human nature to give in to temptation. Look at America, how much do we see shootings, people getting killed maliciously, and all these horrible crimes? If anything crime is worse in America than anywhere else, but the media just blinds that out, but made me open my eyes to how much shit they go through will less than what we have....

NOW I'm done...

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2009-06-19 03:15:38 am

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The concepts presented in the videos are common and widely accepted there. Yes, I do think the world would be better off without those things going on. If that makes me a terrible person then so be it. I guess hating people who do terrible things makes me terrible too. Maybe we should just all die ?! Give me a break, man. I think those people are awful - plain awful.

So do the children have to die too, or just the adults?

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2009-06-19 03:22:39 am

Believe it or not.....the children die too........I've seen it.

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2009-06-19 03:30:55 am

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As far as I know just about everyone in my life shares the same opinions as me on this issue

That's rather unfortunate. It usually means you're only given one side of the story.

You could say you think SDA is dropped from the net because they're assholes that care about nothing but the fact that they're "better" than us at video games. That's just not representative of every single person there. Just because it's not technically a "race" you're biased against doesn't make it right, and certainly has no bearing on its truth.

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The western media isn't making this shit up people!

So you are for the western media now? Sweet. I knew we'd convert you.

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Yes, I do think the world would be better off without those things going on.

I agree with you 110%. EVERYONE agrees with you on this. But there is a big difference in not liking what's going on and wanting to kill millions of people to stop it.

_{I think the world would be better off without police brutality... Let's kill cops.
I think the world would be better off without abortions... Let's kill abortion doctors.
Kill kill kill... Satan commands you}

We have 3 options:
1) Genocide... That'll teach them not to teach hate to their children.
2) Educate them... That'll piss them off, as it's thier lesson to learn... Forcing our political and social beliefs upon them is only going to validate their propaganda.
3) Let them figure it out for themselves while we all go get laid.

#3 is better for them. It's better for us.

[quote="Opium"]The western media isn't making this shit up people![/quote]So you are [i]for[/i] the western media now?  Sweet.  I knew we'd convert you.

[quote="Opium"]Yes, I do think the world would be better off without those things going on.[/quote]I agree with you 110%.  EVERYONE agrees with you on this.  But there is a big difference in not liking what's going on and wanting to kill millions of people to stop it.

[spoiler="This is only a joke... Please don't take it seriously."][sub]I think the world would be better off without police brutality... Let's kill cops.
I think the world would be better off without abortions... Let's kill abortion doctors.
Kill kill kill... Satan commands you  :evil: [/sub][/spoiler]

We have 3 options:
1) Genocide... That'll teach them not to teach hate to their children.
2) Educate them... That'll piss them off, as it's thier lesson to learn... Forcing our political and social beliefs upon them is only going to validate their propaganda.
3) Let them figure it out for themselves while we all go get laid.

[spoiler]#3 is better for them. It's better for us.[/spoiler]

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I have my own shit to deal with right here in the USA. I really don't care about Iran's problems, as far as I'm concerned..............

Okay... Just 2 questions then:
1) What "shit" are you dealing with "right here in the USA"? I don't mean personal problems, but actual USA related issues . . . Since you're "dealing" with it, then what is it you're dealing with? Are you searching for the missing children you just mentioned?

If you count Rolo candys as both problems and children I think that could cover both bases there.

[/comedy gold]

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2009-06-19 04:53:18 am

Hurr Durr

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Bla bla bad stuff is going on in the middle east

Yes, and the answer is definitely to kill not only the oppressors, but also the oppressed (and their livestock!), with the awesome power of democracy and missiles (the 90% that's innocent will be considered a fair trade for those bastard 10%). I don't care at all for whats going on down there, but I think we should nuke them anyway, becuase the place is just such an eyesore. And then there's those god damned Jews, skateboarding on the sidewalk and what not!

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2009-06-19 05:03:19 am

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well you see if you take out the oppressors a few of the oppressed might get uppity so, naturally, you'd better just get rid of all of them too just to be safe. but then, of course the israelis might start getting a bit wild so we should should make with a preemptive strike to be on the safe side. you can't be too careful after all.

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If you count Rolo candys as both problems and children I think that could cover both bases there.

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2009-06-19 11:04:18 am

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No, I'm not. Opium, you are ignorant in your thoughts, yes you're entitled to what you want, but being stupid with it and just "blowing everything up" will not suffice. We have huge issues in America at the moment with Obama, and there are millions of people that I am sure want to blow up USA. Yes, they do have their own religious beliefs, and Honor Killings and beating your wife are allowed. We cannot interfere. This is their country, if it was so much of a goddamm problem, we would just leave. We are here to help them, not to kill them. There is nothing more that makes me happy than helping another human being and that's what they need here.

I have no interest in helping people who think it's OK to beat or kill their wives, sorry.

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Look at America, how much do we see shootings, people getting killed maliciously, and all these horrible crimes? If anything crime is worse in America than anywhere else, but the media just blinds that out, but made me open my eyes to how much shit they go through will less than what we have....

Crime is bad in America because the punishments are too soft. Some people actually go to prison on purpose because it's actually safer than the ghetto they came from plus they get food and medical. I say bring in the firing squad and kill 'em. Fuck this revolving door 'justice'. Violent criminals should be destroyed.

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Do you even know the reason why there is suicide bombers and IED's over here? The Taliban aren't the ones doing it, they threaten families....fathers, sons, into doing this or their whole family will be killed. These people sacrifice themselves to protect their family. Would you not do the same?

No, I would not. If some crazy fucker said that I had to go murder a bunch of people in order to save myself and my family, I believe my family and I would rather die than carry out their sick wishes. No amount of intimidation, up to and including death of me and my loved ones, could make me give in to their will.

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The western media isn't making this shit up people!

So you are for the western media now? Sweet. I knew we'd convert you.

That is in response to suggestions that none of the shit is true, it's just the media demonizing them.

I have every right and reason to hate those people. It's funny how my hate is viewed so harshly while theirs seems to be excused by their religious ideology. I guess when millions and millions of people hate entire nations and want them dead its less shocking than when one person does - go figure that one. I'm tired of hearing about how there are good people over there who are oppressed and victimized into being monsters. If they hate it why don't they leave or fight? Why do they just go along with it? Because they aren't innocent victims, that's why.

And yes, I get to fret over dropping a rolo in my car (still haven't found it by the way.) I get to do that because I live in one of the places in the world where people can live lives of relative freedom compared to shit-holes like Iran. People here are encouraged to think freely and make personal choices, and to have respect for others rights and their lives. This freedom of thought and respect for one another has brought great wealth and quality of life to people in every free country. I get to play video games, read a book, watch a movie, or go to the beach with friends. I wouldn't get to do these things if it weren't for people of great moral integrity who wanted to make sure these things were possible by rejecting the ideologies that prevail in those shit-holes. Those places are the way they are BY CHOICE and have been for a very very long time. That's the way they want it to be, otherwise why wouldn't they have changed it. They have had every amount of time and opportunity as the rest of the world. They hold on to their beliefs BY CHOICE.

[quote="TAxxOUTBR3AKxx"]
No, I'm not. [b]Opium[/b], you are ignorant in your thoughts, yes you're entitled to what you want, but being stupid with it and just "blowing everything up" will not suffice. We have huge issues in America at the moment with Obama, and there are millions of people that I am sure want to blow up USA. Yes, they do have their own religious beliefs, and Honor Killings and beating your wife are allowed. We cannot interfere.  This is their country, if it was so much of a goddamm problem, we would just leave. We are here to help them, not to kill them.  There is nothing more that makes me happy than helping another human being and that's what they need here. [/quote]

I have no interest in helping people who think it's OK to beat or kill their wives, sorry.

[quote="TAxxOUTBR3AKxx"]
  Look at America, how much do we see shootings, people getting killed maliciously, and all these horrible crimes? If anything crime is worse in America than anywhere else, but the media just blinds that out, but made me open my eyes to how much shit they go through will less than what we have....
[/quote]

Crime is bad in America because the punishments are too soft.  Some people actually go to prison on purpose because it's actually safer than the ghetto they came from plus they get food and medical.  I say bring in the firing squad and kill 'em.  Fuck this revolving door 'justice'.   Violent criminals should be destroyed.

[quote="TAxxOUTBR3AKxx"]
Do you even know the reason why there is suicide bombers and IED's over here? The Taliban aren't the ones doing it, they threaten families....fathers, sons, into doing this or their whole family will be killed. These people sacrifice themselves to protect their family. Would you not do the same? 
[/quote]

No, I would not.  If some crazy fucker said that I had to go murder a bunch of people in order to save myself and my family, I believe my family and I would rather die than carry out their sick wishes.  No amount of intimidation, up to and including death of me and my loved ones, could make me give in to their will.

[quote="Jathys"]
[quote="Opium"]The western media isn't making this shit up people![/quote]So you are [i]for[/i] the western media now?  Sweet.  I knew we'd convert you.[/quote]

That is in response to suggestions that none of the shit is true, it's just the media demonizing them.

I have every right and reason to hate those people.  It's funny how my hate is viewed so harshly while theirs seems to be excused by their religious ideology.  I guess when millions and millions of people hate entire nations and want them dead its less shocking than when one person does - go figure that one.  I'm tired of hearing about how there are good people over there who are oppressed and victimized into being monsters.   If they hate it why don't they leave or fight?  Why do they just go along with it?  Because they aren't innocent victims, that's why.

And yes, I get to fret over dropping a rolo in my car (still haven't found it by the way.)  I get to do that because I live in one of the places in the world where people can live lives of relative freedom compared to shit-holes like Iran.  People here are encouraged to think freely and make personal choices, and to have respect for others rights and their lives.  This freedom of thought and respect for one another has brought great wealth and quality of life to people in every free country.  I get to play video games, read a book, watch a movie, or go to the beach with friends.  I wouldn't get to do these things if it weren't for people of great moral integrity who wanted to make sure these things were possible by rejecting the ideologies that prevail in those shit-holes.  Those places are the way they are BY CHOICE and have been for a very very long time.  That's the way they want it to be, otherwise why wouldn't they have changed it.  They have had every amount of time and opportunity as the rest of the world.  They hold on to their beliefs BY CHOICE.

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2009-06-19 11:50:11 am

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If they hate it why don't they leave or fight? Why do they just go along with it? Because they aren't innocent victims, that's why.

er yeah, they are innocent victims. they don't have the power to stand up to the terrorists. and they can't exactly just hop on a plane and head over to america.

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2009-06-19 12:00:55 pm

Hurr Durr

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Crime is bad in America because the punishments are too soft.

Doubt it. AFAIK the crime rates in Sweden are lower than in the US, and our punishments are way softer than those in America.

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I have no interest in helping people who think it's OK to beat or kill their wives, sorry.

You don't seem to have any interest in helping the wives either, what with the nuking and all.

Quote from Opium:

I have every right and reason to hate those people.

Yes, yes. Wishing to have them all dead though (be it innocent or not) is a little more, uh, upsetting.

Quote from Opium:

It's funny how my hate is viewed so harshly while theirs seems to be excused by their religious ideology.

I don't think anyone here is defending they way those countries are run, but there is a difference between disagreeing with a countries laws and morals, and wanting to blow them of the earth. In time, they too might become better places to live in, and even if they don't, just bombing them is a pretty bad solution.

[quote="Opium"]Crime is bad in America because the punishments are too soft.[/quote]

Doubt it. AFAIK the crime rates in Sweden are lower than in the US, and our punishments are way softer than those in America.

[quote="Opium"]
I have no interest in helping people who think it's OK to beat or kill their wives, sorry. 
[/quote]

You don't seem to have any interest in helping the wives either, what with the nuking and all.

[quote="Opium"]
I have every right and reason to hate those people.[/quote]

Yes, yes. Wishing to have them all dead though (be it innocent or not) is a little more, uh, upsetting.

[quote="Opium"]It's funny how my hate is viewed so harshly while theirs seems to be excused by their religious ideology.[/quote]

I don't think anyone here is defending they way those countries are run, but there is a difference between disagreeing with a countries laws and morals, and wanting to blow them of the earth. In time, they too might become better places to live in, and even if they don't, just bombing them is a pretty bad solution.

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2009-06-19 12:08:08 pm

Quote from Opium:

I have every right and reason to hate those people. It's funny how my hate is viewed so harshly while theirs seems to be excused by their religious ideology. I guess when millions and millions of people hate entire nations and want them dead its less shocking than when one person does - go figure that one. I'm tired of hearing about how there are good people over there who are oppressed and victimized into being monsters. If they hate it why don't they leave or fight? Why do they just go along with it? Because they aren't innocent victims, that's why.

Because they are a 3rd World Country! There is nothing here for them! They barter and sell what they have to survive, it's not just as simple as "Leave or Fight" although that is the best option. They are in the middle of nowhere, with no firepower that the Taliban has acquire from the leftovers that the Russians had. They are so scared they can't do anything but what they can to live their longest. Also, their main ideologic belief deals with martyrdom. If they sacrifice themselves for their beliefs, then they will go to 'heaven' and meet Alla. That is their ultimate destiny, so to fulfill this and save their family is the greatest thing they can accomplish.

[quote="Opium"]

I have every right and reason to hate those people.  It's funny how my hate is viewed so harshly while theirs seems to be excused by their religious ideology.  I guess when millions and millions of people hate entire nations and want them dead its less shocking than when one person does - go figure that one.  I'm tired of hearing about how there are good people over there who are oppressed and victimized into being monsters.   If they hate it why don't they leave or fight?  Why do they just go along with it?  Because they aren't innocent victims, that's why.  
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Because they are a [b]3rd World Country![/b] There is nothing here for them! They barter and sell what they have to survive, it's not just as simple as "Leave or Fight" although that is the best option. They are in the middle of nowhere, with no firepower that the Taliban has acquire from the leftovers that the Russians had. They are so scared they can't do anything but what they can to live their longest. Also, their main ideologic belief deals with martyrdom. If they sacrifice themselves for their beliefs, then they will go to 'heaven' and meet Alla. That is their ultimate destiny, so to fulfill this and save their family is the greatest thing they can accomplish.

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2009-06-19 12:55:44 pm

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Also, their main ideologic belief deals with martyrdom. If they sacrifice themselves for their beliefs, then they will go to 'heaven' and meet Alla. That is their ultimate destiny, so to fulfill this and save their family is the greatest thing they can accomplish.

Apparently this martyrdom doesn't apply if one were to sacrifice themselves by NOT giving in to the taliban's wishes and being executed for it? At least then you'd have your dignity.

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Crime is bad in America because the punishments are too soft.

Doubt it. AFAIK the crime rates in Sweden are lower than in the US, and our punishments are way softer than those in America.

I'm not saying that light punishments are the root of all social problems, but the punishments surely aren't a real deterrent here.

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Because they are a 3rd World Country! There is nothing here for them! They barter and sell what they have to survive, it's not just as simple as "Leave or Fight" although that is the best option.

The two things I mentioned are free and available whether you're rich or poor: pride and choice. One can choose not to stand for oppression, or choose not to believe the religious nonsense that has kept those people living that way for thousands of years. One can have pride and stand up against assholes, even if it means death. Besides, then they can be these glorious martyrs you speak of, and besides they have NOTHING as you've stated already. Having nothing means having nothing to lose. No amount of oppression or intimidation could make me give in to those bastards. I think if they somehow took over the USA you would see what I mean, Americans by the millions would face certain death before they would follow the taliban. That's courage, pride, resolve, etc. - and those things are all free for all people.

I say nuke 'em because I have no hope those people will ever change their minds about anything, they WANT things to be fucked up. If one conflict gets resolved then they just find a new one. They fight with everyone they can, even themselves and it's been that way for a long long time. you can topple an oppressive regime and a new one takes it's place. They can nuke israel off the map and then they'll just find a new target. While sympathetic people who are hell-bent on political correctness are living in some fantasy world where we can figure out ways for us to all come to an understanding, they are stoning people to death for showing their ankles on the sabbath, training children to commit mass murder, beheading journalists in the netherlands, and chanting DEATH TO BRITAIN, AMERICA, and ISRAEL.

[quote="TAxxOUTBR3AKxx"]
Also, their main ideologic belief deals with martyrdom. If they sacrifice themselves for their beliefs, then they will go to 'heaven' and meet Alla. That is their ultimate destiny, so to fulfill this and save their family is the greatest thing they can accomplish.
[/quote]

Apparently this martyrdom doesn't apply if one were to sacrifice themselves by NOT giving in to the taliban's wishes and being executed for it?  At least then you'd have your dignity.

[quote="Cpadolf"]
[quote="Opium"]Crime is bad in America because the punishments are too soft.[/quote]

Doubt it. AFAIK the crime rates in Sweden are lower than in the US, and our punishments are way softer than those in America.[/quote]

I'm not saying that light punishments are the root of all social problems, but the punishments surely aren't a real deterrent here.

[quote="TAxxOUTBR3AKxx"]
Because they are a [b]3rd World Country![/b] There is nothing here for them! They barter and sell what they have to survive, it's not just as simple as "Leave or Fight" although that is the best option. 
[/quote]

The two things I mentioned are free and available whether you're rich or poor:  pride and choice.   One can choose not to stand for oppression, or choose not to believe the religious nonsense that has kept those people living that way for thousands of years.  One can have pride and stand up against assholes, even if it means death.  Besides, then they can be these glorious martyrs you speak of, and besides they have NOTHING as you've stated already.  Having nothing means having nothing to lose.  No amount of oppression or intimidation could make me give in to those bastards.  I think if they somehow took over the USA you would see what I mean, Americans by the millions would face certain death before they would follow the taliban.  That's courage, pride, resolve, etc. - and those things are all free for all people.

I say nuke 'em because I have [u]no[/u] hope those people will ever change their minds about anything, they WANT things to be fucked up.  If one conflict gets resolved then they just find a new one.  They fight with everyone they can, even themselves and it's been that way for a long long time.  you can topple an oppressive regime and a new one takes it's place.  They can nuke israel off the map and then they'll just find a new target.   While sympathetic people who are hell-bent on political correctness are living in some fantasy world where we can figure out ways for us to all come to an understanding, they are stoning people to death for showing their ankles on the sabbath, training children to commit mass murder, beheading journalists in the netherlands, and chanting DEATH TO BRITAIN, AMERICA, and ISRAEL.

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2009-06-19 01:23:00 pm

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let me blow your mind

these people aren't americans. they might not think the same way you do. if they've never seen any examples of people standing up before, why would they do it now even if they were capable?

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2009-06-19 01:28:40 pm

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these people aren't americans. they might not think the same way you do. if they've never seen any examples of people standing up before, why would they do it now even if they were capable?

I guess I'm not convinced that such a basic concept needs to be demonstrated, I believe understanding this concept would be inherent for any self-aware creature with free will. So the fact that they don't stand up is probably not a matter of ignorance, but conscious choice.

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2009-06-19 01:29:51 pm

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let me blow your mind

keep in mind that you live in the us and have always had the freedom to do and say pretty much whatever you want.

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2009-06-19 01:31:52 pm

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keep in mind that you live in the us and have always had the freedom to do and say pretty much whatever you want.

But if I didn't live in the USA and didn't have such freedoms, I doubt I would be unaware of the fact and be OK with it.

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2009-06-19 01:48:31 pm

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While sympathetic people who are hell-bent on political correctness are living in some fantasy world where we can figure out ways for us to all come to an understanding, they are stoning people to death for showing their ankles on the sabbath, training children to commit mass murder, beheading journalists in the netherlands, and chanting DEATH TO BRITAIN, AMERICA, and ISRAEL.

I think political correctness is stupid. I think fantasy belongs in video games and fairy tales. But I don't think killing millions of people is the only way to deal with people who don't understand you. I don't understand why we have to understand each other actually.

Stoning people to death for showing their ankles? Inhumane. Mind you, as views change in the future it may be considered inhumane to do some of the punishments we do for current crimes. The middle east is strongly based on old traditions and old views. THAT is why it's so inhumane as compared to the modern world.

Beheading journalists? Oh noes! Beheading is quite common as a punishment over there. Over here, we just stick 'em in prison. They accuse the journalists of being spies, so they punished them. Ever hear of Senator McCarthy? Started a movement where many US citizens were accused of being communists (and spies) and were therefore punished as our system saw fit. Had we held onto old traditions, those people would have been beheaded. Or perhaps they would have been drowned or burned to death, as we did to people accused of being witches during the Salem witch trials? The middle east is not nearly as far removed from us as many people think.

Chanting death to us? OMG, they will set us up teh b0mbage! Seriously though, that is EXACTLY what you're chanting as well. DEATH TO THE MIDDLE EAST. They must be destroyed. Nuke them all because they do things differently than us (well, differently than we do things now anyway).

[quote="Opium"]While sympathetic people who are hell-bent on political correctness are living in some fantasy world where we can figure out ways for us to all come to an understanding, they are stoning people to death for showing their ankles on the sabbath, training children to commit mass murder, beheading journalists in the netherlands, and chanting DEATH TO BRITAIN, AMERICA, and ISRAEL.[/quote]I think political correctness is stupid. I think fantasy belongs in video games and fairy tales. But I don't think killing millions of people is the only way to deal with people who don't understand you.  I don't understand why we [i]have[/i] to understand each other actually.

Stoning people to death for showing their ankles?  Inhumane.  Mind you, as views change in the future it may be considered inhumane to do some of the punishments we do for current crimes.  The middle east is strongly based on [i]old[/i] traditions and [i]old[/i] views. THAT is why it's so inhumane as compared to the modern world.

Beheading journalists?  Oh noes!  Beheading is quite common as a punishment over there.  Over here, we just stick 'em in prison.  They accuse the journalists of being spies, so they punished them.  Ever hear of Senator McCarthy?  Started a movement where many US citizens were accused of being communists (and spies) and were therefore punished as [i]our[/i] system saw fit.  Had we held onto old traditions, those people would have been beheaded.  Or perhaps they would have been drowned or burned to death, as we did to people accused of being witches during the Salem witch trials?  The middle east is not nearly as far removed from us as many people think.

Chanting death to us? OMG, they will set us up teh b0mbage!  Seriously though, that is EXACTLY what you're chanting as well.  DEATH TO THE MIDDLE EAST.  They must be destroyed.  Nuke them all because they do things differently than us (well, differently than we do things [i]now[/i] anyway).

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2009-06-19 01:52:16 pm

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keep in mind that you live in the us and have always had the freedom to do and say pretty much whatever you want.

But if I didn't live in the USA and didn't have such freedoms, I doubt I would be unaware of the fact and be OK with it.

You suggest that no matter where you might happen to be born you will always view your surroundings from the perspective of an American upbringing.

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2009-06-19 01:55:08 pm

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2009-06-19 02:09:58 pm

I thought Ahmadinejad won 85% of the vote?

In any case, the highest cleric of Iran ruled the election in Ahmadinejad's favor. It was a bad thing to do. Sure, ordering a recount could've caused Ahmadenijad to go totally batshit crazy because it undermined his authority, but not ordering a recount is bound to infuriate a large number of people. They might start to question their form of government and start a civil war.

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2009-06-19 02:12:09 pm

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keep in mind that you live in the us and have always had the freedom to do and say pretty much whatever you want.

But if I didn't live in the USA and didn't have such freedoms, I doubt I would be unaware of the fact and be OK with it.

You suggest that no matter where you might happen to be born you will always view your surroundings from the perspective of an American upbringing.

I wouldn't come out of the womb fighting, but I don't think I would be happy. Hell, I don't think they're happy at all.

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Beheading journalists? Oh noes! Beheading is quite common as a punishment over there. Over here, we just stick 'em in prison. They accuse the journalists of being spies, so they punished them. Ever hear of Senator McCarthy? Started a movement where many US citizens were accused of being communists (and spies) and were therefore punished as our system saw fit. Had we held onto old traditions, those people would have been beheaded. Or perhaps they would have been drowned or burned to death, as we did to people accused of being witches during the Salem witch trials? The middle east is not nearly as far removed from us as many people think.

I'm actually talking about Theo van Gogh:

"Theo Van Gogh, 47, the great grandson of art dealer Theo Van Gogh and great grandnephew of the famed Dutch painter Vincent Van Gogh, led an extraordinary life much like his predecessors. Theo was an out-spoken and prominent Dutch film director, author, journalist, actor, producer and an advocate of free speech who used the media as an open forum to broadcast his controversial views on religion, politics and social mores and values. The candid and often provocative method he used to express his ideologies quickly propelled him into the national spotlight in the Netherlands.

However, his critical views and brusque approach also made him unpopular among a lot of people. At approximately 8:45 a.m. on November 2, 2004, an unknown assailant dressed in a traditional Moroccan "djelleba," brutally attacked Theo outside of a city council building as he bicycled to work in central Amsterdam. The attacker shot Theo Van Gogh and stabbed him repeatedly in the chest, callously disregarding his victim's pleas for mercy. Despite his life-threatening injuries, Theo was able to gain enough momentum to stumble to the other side of the street but by the time he made his way across, his attacker shot and stabbed him again. He then slit Theo's throat with a butcher knife, nearly decapitating him, as onlookers gasped in sheer horror. "

[quote="SABERinBLUE"]
[quote="Opium"]
[quote="arkarian"]
keep in mind that you live in the us and have always had the freedom to do and say pretty much whatever you want.
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But if I didn't live in the USA and didn't have such freedoms, I doubt I would be unaware of the fact and be OK with it.
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You suggest that no matter where you might happen to be born you will always view your surroundings from the perspective of an American upbringing.  
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I wouldn't come out of the womb fighting, but I don't think I would be happy.  Hell, I don't think they're happy at all.

[quote="Jathys"]
Beheading journalists?  Oh noes!  Beheading is quite common as a punishment over there.  Over here, we just stick 'em in prison.  They accuse the journalists of being spies, so they punished them.  Ever hear of Senator McCarthy?  Started a movement where many US citizens were accused of being communists (and spies) and were therefore punished as [i]our[/i] system saw fit.  Had we held onto old traditions, those people would have been beheaded.  Or perhaps they would have been drowned or burned to death, as we did to people accused of being witches during the Salem witch trials?  The middle east is not nearly as far removed from us as many people think.

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I'm actually talking about Theo van Gogh:

"Theo Van Gogh, 47, the great grandson of art dealer Theo Van Gogh and great grandnephew of the famed Dutch painter Vincent Van Gogh, led an extraordinary life much like his predecessors. Theo was an out-spoken and prominent Dutch film director, author, journalist, actor, producer and an advocate of free speech who used the media as an open forum to broadcast his controversial views on religion, politics and social mores and values. The candid and often provocative method he used to express his ideologies quickly propelled him into the national spotlight in the Netherlands.

However, his critical views and brusque approach also made him unpopular among a lot of people. At approximately 8:45 a.m. on November 2, 2004, an unknown assailant dressed in a traditional Moroccan "djelleba," brutally attacked Theo outside of a city council building as he bicycled to work in central Amsterdam. The attacker shot Theo Van Gogh and stabbed him repeatedly in the chest, callously disregarding his victim's pleas for mercy. Despite his life-threatening injuries, Theo was able to gain enough momentum to stumble to the other side of the street but by the time he made his way across, his attacker shot and stabbed him again. He then slit Theo's throat with a butcher knife, nearly decapitating him, as onlookers gasped in sheer horror. "

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2009-06-19 02:45:08 pm

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He then slit Theo's throat with a butcher knife, nearly decapitating him, as onlookers gasped in sheer horror. "

That, however, was not an actual "punishment beheading" (for lack of a better word)... That was a crime done by an individual. I can come up with lots of examples of crimes in the USA that put that one to shame (Jeff Dahmer anyone?).

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2009-06-19 02:54:41 pm

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I would just like to say that all those who go to any of these countries and end up beheaded are not really that shocking to me. While it's clearly a violent end, they were in a country where that type of thing is acceptable... Would I go there? Clearly not, even if I wanted to help.

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2009-06-19 03:38:23 pm

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He lived in the netherlands where that crime took place. I never meant to imply that it was a punishment carried out in any country as a sentence handed down by some court. I remember when it was in the papers a few years ago and how it shocked the whole world and sparked alot of muslim hatred across europe.