HD Lag

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butterflyboy1974

2008-06-08 05:32:28 pm

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I thought I'd post this just in case anyone else experiences HD Lag in Super Metroid and doesn't realize it. I bought a Samsung 60" Plasma TV a couple of months ago and when I hooked my Wii up to it and played SM, I noticed that some of the more precise moves were more difficult than before. I tried to ignore it, thinking I just wasn't used to looking at an image of that size. But it persisted, and after doing some research I found out about HD lag. On High Definition TVs there is lag of a fraction of a second from the time you press the button on your controller to the time image responds, especially in older games. I thought I had just wasted $2000 on this frikkin TV! Then I figured out that on my TV I can go into the menu and actually disable the chip that processes the HD image, which is fine because the game can't really be displayed in HD anyways. That helped immensely! I still think there is a tiny tiny lag of less than a tenth of a second now, but its workable.
I played lots of other games on my TV before I even realized the problem because Super Metroid requires such precise movement. Has anyone else gone through this?

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I thought I'd post this just in case anyone else experiences HD Lag in Super Metroid and doesn't realize it.  I bought a Samsung 60" Plasma TV a couple of months ago and when I hooked my Wii up to it and played SM,  I noticed that some of the more precise moves were more difficult than before.  I tried to ignore it, thinking I just wasn't used to looking at an image of that size.  But it persisted, and after doing some research I found out about HD lag.  On High Definition TVs there is lag of a fraction of a second from the time you press the button on your controller to the time image responds, especially in older games.  I thought I had just wasted $2000 on this frikkin TV!   Then I figured out that on my TV I can go into the menu and actually disable the chip that processes the HD image, which is fine because the game can't really be displayed in HD anyways.  That helped immensely!   I still think there is a tiny tiny lag of less than a tenth of a second now, but its workable.  
I played lots of other games on my TV before I even realized the problem because Super Metroid requires such precise movement.  Has anyone else gone through this?

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2008-06-08 05:55:03 pm

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Maybe not with the Wii VC edition, since I don't have it. SNES Console, maybe, but I used an RF cable to connect it to the 42-inch Vizio LCD TV in my living room. $1500 didn't really go down the drain, even with my Wii connected with the Component Cable.

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butterflyboy1974

2008-06-08 06:07:04 pm

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Quote from playerman1230:

Maybe not with the Wii VC edition, since I don't have it. SNES Console, maybe, but I used an RF cable to connect it to the 42-inch Vizio LCD TV in my living room. $1500 didn't really go down the drain, even with my Wii connected with the Component Cable.

Not sure if it makes a difference, but my Wii is connected with an HDMI cable, even though it doesn't really support it like the other consoles do.

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2008-06-08 08:06:43 pm

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How can you plug an HDMI cable into a Wii?

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2008-06-08 08:48:35 pm

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yeah, usually the tv has a 'game mode' or whatever.

now if only dvd recorders did ...

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2008-06-08 11:52:22 pm

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Yeah, only lag I've ever experienced was through my DVD recorder, but there are ways around that.

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butterflyboy1974

2008-06-09 12:02:57 am

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Quote from Arkarian:

How can you plug an HDMI cable into a Wii?

I have cord that has a Wii plug on one end and HDMI on the other, so I think it's not really an HDMI cable. I got it at Wal-Mart

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2008-06-09 12:05:21 am

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Quote from nate:

yeah, usually the tv has a 'game mode' or whatever.

now if only dvd recorders did ...

The game mode helped a little bit, but I guess Samsung has a chip called DnIe that supposedly makes the image superior to other brands. Once I disabled it the lag was almost completley gone, which leads me to believe that it was mostly the source of the lag.

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2008-06-09 12:43:59 pm

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Don't double post, just edit your first post.

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Ntsc

2008-06-09 03:35:13 pm

What resolution is the TV?

My Wii has problems when connecting to TVs of 480i (480p works fine according to some though I don't have any way to connect to them).

I think it has something to do with how the interleaving works because there is definitely lag when playing on high def interleaved modes on the Wii. I tried to play brawl and the lag was seriously >50 ms. You could really feel it and it was distracting and disorienting enough to make me not want to play the game. We switched it to a regular 30" TV and it worked fine. All of the lag went away.

If your TV supports progressive scan I recommend getting the cable to connect to it that way.

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2008-06-09 06:02:32 pm

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heh, maybe on some tvs the deinterlacing slows down the display. pretty funny. doesn't on mine (samsung).

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2008-06-10 11:10:24 am

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I hook mine into a 42" Panasonic plasma using Nintendo's component cables and don't get any issues. I wouldn't recommend connecting via HDMI, since there's absolutely no reason to do so. Hard to believe they even make HDMI cables for Wii.

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2008-06-10 12:58:35 pm

Quote from Arkarian:

I hook mine into a 42" Panasonic plasma using Nintendo's component cables and don't get any issues.

Well component cables(R, G, B) allow you to use progressive scan (which doesn't have this lagging problem). Try using the normal cables that came with the console (Video, L Audio, R Audio) and you should be able to see/feel the lag.

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2008-06-10 01:37:21 pm

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you're assuming he has the same tv you do.

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heh, maybe on some tvs the deinterlacing slows down the display. pretty funny. doesn't on mine (samsung).

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2008-06-10 04:17:00 pm

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Well component cables(R, G, B) allow you to use progressive scan (which doesn't have this lagging problem).

So does HDMI, but butterflyboy1974's still getting the lag using that.

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Try using the normal cables that came with the console (Video, L Audio, R Audio) and you should be able to see/feel the lag.

Yeah, no lag that way either.

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butterflyboy1974

2008-06-15 12:00:18 am

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I'm using the old cable now and I can't tell if the lag is there or not, which is a major improvement. I'm wondering if I hook my huge plasma TV to my PC and play with emu if there will be any difference.