Draygon 2-Round on console

ICheatAtGolf:

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ICheatAtGolf

2007-06-08 07:50:18 pm

I decided to record my fight with Draygon during a speedrun, yes, it was on an emulator, but no savestates or slowdown was used. This is completely doable on console:

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Draygon.smv

Tahngarthor:

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Tahngarthor

2007-06-08 11:02:15 pm

Bangaa Bishop

I'm not saying you're making false claims or anything but a smv of you fighting him doesnt show that you didn't do those things and that it's doable on a console (I'm sure it is though, this is just a fair point to make.)

ICheatAtGolf:

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ICheatAtGolf

2007-06-08 11:46:48 pm

I didn't really understand your point...but i assume you are trying to say because i used an emulator, it doesn't prove anything.

Let me reassure you that everything in the video can be done in realtime. The super short charge is hard to perfect, yes, but just like the mockball it can be mastered.

There are only 2 things that give an emulator an advantage over a real console; and these 2 things are slowdown and save states.

Considering that there are 0 re-records, and no slowdown was used, this proves that this can be done on a console. Its the exact same thing, except with a keyboard.

To add to my point, all of the maneuvers in the video are relatively simple...Aside from the short-charge.

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Cpadolf

2007-06-09 02:57:31 am

Hurr Durr

I have done the 2 round on console without shinecharging him. But that was with 20 supers and 50 missiles (was playing non serious) and I'm not sure it's doable with your supposed missile stock at that point. Still I can always kill him fast if i leave the canons.

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P.JMan

2007-06-09 03:39:01 am

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Quote from ICheatAtGolf:

There are only 2 things that give an emulator an advantage over a real console; and these 2 things are slowdown and save states.

Also look at the difference between the Direction Pad on the controller and the Arrow Keys on the keyboard

The Arrow Keys give a much greater control, you could do 0% on emulator real-time a lot more easily that on GBA

I'm pretty sure that using the keyboard makes it easier to preform a short charge

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Azual

2007-06-09 05:10:13 am

i wish people would stop paying out on emulators.

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Saturn

2007-06-09 05:37:10 am

Quote from ICheatAtGolf:

Draygon.smv

Looks good.
And of course this can be done on console with some practise.

Quote from P.JMan:

I'm pretty sure that using the keyboard makes it easier to preform a short charge

Can't be true. Since you just have to tap one direction and the dash button in the right time, this is generally same difficult in both cases.
For me it's easier on controller, but thats just because I'm used to it.

And using emulators for skill-based runs is always good for practise. It's a great and easy alternative to share movies with others, without needing to waste time and money to record on DVD or VHS and shipping to the capturer, and it can be done immediately without delays.

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Tonski

2007-06-09 05:54:58 am

That's pretty cool right there.

Too bad I'm kinda on a break from speedrunning this game. If I'll some day get a very very good controller I'm back.

Until that, I'll let you other guys get better than me. :) (wait, almost all of you already are)

mooseproduce:

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mooseproduce

2007-06-09 03:09:33 pm

Uh, keyboard != SNES controller? Arrow keys > directional pads?

Try playing one of those lame Dance Dance Revolution wannabes for the computer... on a SNES d-pad. Yeah.

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leafgreen386

2007-06-09 10:56:10 pm

A keyboard offers greater precision, of course. I know I can perform just random stuff faster on a keyboard than I could on console, due to the much improved accuracy. However, that accuracy is a double-edged sword. You can perform things quicker, however, certain things can be more difficult. For example, quickly changing directions and then changing back again (like in walljumping) requires that you release each button before pressing the next, instead of the sort of "roll" you can use on console (although I find sm walljumping to be easier on emulator than zm walljumping). If I could perfect zm walljumping on the emulator, I could undoubtfully produce faster times on it than I could on the gba. (Sorry for all the zm references. I don't really speedrun sm.)

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Cpadolf

2007-06-10 04:09:13 am

Hurr Durr

Although if you are used to play on console keyboard is of course a zillion times harder to play with. Also strangely i find everything but walljump to be harder on keyboard.

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Max

2007-06-10 07:02:36 am

Waaaaaaa i want insanity

Quote from Cpadolf:

Although if you are used to play on console keyboard is of course a zillion times harder to play with. Also strangely i find everything but walljump to be harder on keyboard.

Same I also find it easier to diagonal bomb jump aswell for some reason aiwebs_016

mooseproduce:

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mooseproduce

2007-06-10 03:57:56 pm

The only game I have ever disliked on keyboard... is Smash Brothers. :P No online SB for moose...

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JaggerG

2007-06-11 01:44:21 am

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That M2k2 guy

Quote from mooseproduce:

Try playing one of those lame Dance Dance Revolution wannabes for the computer... on a SNES d-pad. Yeah.

Not really that tough if abyx are able to substitute rdlu

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mooseproduce

2007-06-11 05:00:11 pm

Quote from JaggerG:

Not really that tough if abyx are able to substitute rdlu

But wait!..

Quote from mooseproduce:

Try playing one of those lame Dance Dance Revolution wannabes for the computer... on a SNES d-pad. Yeah.

Quote from mooseproduce:

one of those lame Dance Dance Revolution wannabes for the computer... on a SNES d-pad.

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wannabes for the computer... on a SNES d-pad.

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ON A SNES D-PAD

:'(

P.S. Hint: D-PAD

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ducknerd

2007-06-11 05:24:49 pm

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...he meant right, down, left, up, not a different DDR config Rolling Eyes

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JaggerG

2007-06-16 03:33:32 am

Shifty Leader

That M2k2 guy

There are all sorts of tiny differences like that that make playing on an emulator different enough.

And ducknerd, I think he recognized that. That doesn't change the fact that abxy != d-pad. You can play a DDR style game easily enough using the abxy buttons alone.

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mooseproduce

2007-06-16 02:54:50 pm

The whole point I'm trying to make is the physical d-pad itself. You cannot press Up+Down. You most certainly cannot press Up+Left+Down+Right. You can, however, press Left+Right+Up... wait, no! NO YOU CANNOT!

This makes things like pressing Left on frame "x", and then releasing Left and pressing Right on frame "x + 1", veeerry tricky. Tricky to the xtreme, if I may. :'(

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2007-06-16 04:04:11 pm

Quote from mooseproduce:

The whole point I'm trying to make is the physical d-pad itself. You cannot press Up+Down. You most certainly cannot press Up+Left+Down+Right. You can, however, press Left+Right+Up... wait, no! NO YOU CANNOT!

This makes things like pressing Left on frame "x", and then releasing Left and pressing Right on frame "x + 1", veeerry tricky. Tricky to the xtreme, if I may. :'(

except we arent talking frames here, as this guy didn't use slowdown.

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Azor

2007-06-19 07:54:09 pm

Phazon level: 83%

I thought i already has somewhere in here a 2 round draygon and a 2 round phantoon fight.

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Tahngarthor

2007-06-21 09:02:38 am

Bangaa Bishop

Quote from mooseproduce:

Quote from JaggerG:

Not really that tough if abyx are able to substitute rdlu

But wait!..

Quote from mooseproduce:

Try playing one of those lame Dance Dance Revolution wannabes for the computer... on a SNES d-pad. Yeah.

Quote from mooseproduce:

one of those lame Dance Dance Revolution wannabes for the computer... on a SNES d-pad.

Quote from mooseproduce:

wannabes for the computer... on a SNES d-pad.

Quote from mooseproduce:

ON A SNES D-PAD

:'(

P.S. Hint: D-PAD

In this case you would definitely lose, not really because it would be harder on the whole, but because doing the < > and the up/down combos is impossible, thus you would miss those every time they come up.

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JaggerG

2007-06-21 12:50:53 pm

Shifty Leader

That M2k2 guy

>_>

Um...yes. I agree. o_O

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RT-55J

2007-06-21 03:35:01 pm

Armor Guardian

Quote from Tahngarthor:

In this case you would definitely lose, not really because it would be harder on the whole, but because doing the < > and the up/down combos is impossible, thus you would miss those every time they come up.

Use a Virtual Boy controller.