Completed RBO/Suitless run on SMV

ICheatAtGolf:

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ICheatAtGolf

2007-09-19 08:34:43 pm

Well, after a few months of not visiting the site I came back just to see that nothing new has been done :( so I took it upon myself to create this RBO run. As far as I am aware, this is the only RBO smv in existance that is completed. I'm still very much looking forward to Saturn's TAS, but who knows when that will come out.

EDIT: I've completed my second run! It beat this previous run by a full 9 MINUTES! This is due to an entirely new route and not having to backtrack. Credit for the trick goes to P.J.Boy, but the specific trick used in the video was first demonstrated by Saturn.

http://dehacked.2y.net/microstorage.php/info/1600665151/RBOVersion2.smv

Completion time: 0:47
Items: 50%

Enjoy

And here's the first run.

http://dehacked.2y.net/microstorage.php/info/610238114/RBO.smv

Notes:

-Uses Hero of the Day's TAS route (Thanks) and therefore fights Crocomire to obtain the grapple beam to make Maridia less monotonous. However, mind you, there are a few changes to the route.

-I entered the Lower Norfair segment with only 15 super missiles at first, made it all the way to ridley and realised it wasn't going to be enough. Darn. This explains the backtrack all the way to crateria for the supers as well as probably about 2000 re-records. Oh well.

-Sub hour (0:56) completion time.

-52% items collected. grin new

Thread title:

Well, after a few months of not visiting the site I came back just to see that nothing new has been done  :(  so I took it upon myself to create this RBO run.   As far as I am aware, this is the only RBO smv in existance that is completed.  I'm still very much looking forward to Saturn's TAS, but who knows when that will come out.

[b]EDIT:  I've completed my second run!   It beat this previous run by a full 9 MINUTES!  This is due to an entirely new route and not having to backtrack.  Credit for the trick goes to P.J.Boy, but the specific trick used in the video was first demonstrated by Saturn.[/b]

http://dehacked.2y.net/microstorage.php/info/1600665151/RBOVersion2.smv

Completion time: 0:47
Items: 50%

Enjoy

And here's the first run.

http://dehacked.2y.net/microstorage.php/info/610238114/RBO.smv

Notes:

-Uses Hero of the Day's TAS route (Thanks) and therefore fights Crocomire to obtain the grapple beam to make Maridia less monotonous. However, mind you, there are a few changes to the route.

-I entered the Lower Norfair segment with only 15 super missiles at first, made it all the way to ridley and realised it wasn't going to be enough.  Darn.  This explains the backtrack all the way to crateria for the supers as well as probably about 2000 re-records.  Oh well.

-Sub hour (0:56) completion time.

-52% items collected. :grinnew:

Fano7:

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Fano7

2007-09-20 05:28:31 am

Every Bit Counts

How do you watch moives on Snes9x? I have Version 1.43 WIP also.

Tonski:

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Tonski

2007-09-20 09:34:46 am

Woah! Really nice movie, I liked the Ridley fight (as you might've expected people would :P). It really kept me thrilled when I saw you were going low on energy without remembering you have reserve tanks. I see you did use frame advance in many places didn't you? Like in Maridia, it'd be cool if you could press buttons for one frame in real time. Doesn't matter really.

Draygon fight was legendary too, I've always wanted to see those RBO-techs in use. Congrats.

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P.JMan

2007-09-20 10:17:17 am

I like Big Butts and I can not lie

Quote from Fano7:

How do you watch moives on Snes9x? I have Version 1.43 WIP also.

File-Load Game 'Super Metroid ROM.smc'
File-Movie Play 'Super Metroid Movie'

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Chanoire

2007-09-20 02:17:56 pm

Anyone likely to encode this to something watchable sans emu?

Fano7:

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Fano7

2007-09-20 04:14:17 pm

Every Bit Counts

Awsome run. I've wanted to see one of these for a very long time. Thank you so much for making it.

Saturn:

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Saturn

2007-09-20 04:36:00 pm

Finally a complete RBO run available! Great Job.

About the route questions, I'm pretty sure getting Speed Booster and Wave Beam as soon as possible is, despite a double Norfair visit, faster in the end, since you save so much time in the gauntlet and also get access to more important E-Tanks through them, not to mention that early HJ-Boots will save some time during the clean-ups too.

As for getting the Grapple Beam, it sure will make Maridia a bit faster and more entertaining to watch, but I'm certain that skipping it is still faster in the end. The only serious slowdown without it would be Mt. Doom, which however is still far less than the entire Crocomire fight and the detour to the Grapple Beam (his E-Tank isn't necessary either, if optimized). Though if you aim for entertainment and realtime only, then heros route seems very good.

Now someone go make a optimized TAS of this route to see how much it will differ in in-game time from my run (which gets definitely done someday). :)

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Fano7

2007-09-20 05:08:19 pm

Every Bit Counts

Yeah. How soon? After your SM:R any% TAS?

hero of the day:

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hero of the day

2007-09-20 05:14:37 pm

Great job ICheatAtGolf :D

Nice to see you use my route, I liked seeing how it played out. There was some solid gameplay in here, and was pretty much mistake free. I love seeing those RBO tricks, such as the crystal flash during draygon, and the underwater walljumps.

About the route. My route always called for killing crocmire, I am not sure why you called it a modification. The reason I suggested killing crocomire for the RBO tas was that his E-tank would be required if you skipped the 2 pink brinstar E-tanks (like my route suggested). I realize you had to modify the route and collect a few more items because this was a semi unassisted run. I am pretty amazed by your final time, it is awesome that a RBO run could be done in less than an hour with console style play. I suppose that a full TAS using my route could be completed in sub 40 minutes in-game time. I also think your route to the plasma beam was wrong, couldn't you have entered the door in the mochtroid room instead of going all the way down and going back up via the pipe? My calculations were that the plasma beam cost more time to collect than it saved at that point, it only saved 40 seconds on the MB battle and that was the only advantage of having it.

Thanks for making and sharing this fine run.

Great job ICheatAtGolf :D

Nice to see you use my route, I liked seeing how it played out. There was some solid gameplay in here, and was pretty much mistake free. I love seeing those RBO tricks, such as the crystal flash during draygon, and the underwater walljumps.

About the route. My route always called for killing crocmire, I am not sure why you called it a modification. The reason I suggested killing crocomire for the RBO tas was that his E-tank would be required if you skipped the 2 pink brinstar E-tanks (like my route suggested). I realize you had to modify the route and collect a few more items because this was a semi unassisted run. I am pretty amazed by your final time, it is awesome that a RBO run could be done in less than an hour with console style play. I suppose that a full TAS using my route could be completed in sub 40 minutes in-game time. I also think your route to the plasma beam was wrong, couldn't you have entered the door in the mochtroid room instead of going all the way down and going back up via the pipe? My calculations were that the plasma beam cost more time to collect than it saved at that point, it only saved 40 seconds on the MB battle and that was the only advantage of having it.

Thanks for making and sharing this fine run.

ICheatAtGolf:

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ICheatAtGolf

2007-09-20 06:04:45 pm

Wow, this got more feedback than I expected! grin new

I'm glad you all liked it. I expected to get some negative feedback, considering the boring-ness of the beginning of the run, but its good that everyone was able to look past that.

I also appreciate the route advice from both Saturn and Hero, while both of you had multiple suggestions that would have improved this run, they would have made it quite a bit harder and I just wanted to get this run done, since I, too, was excited to see the complete run!

If and when I do make another run, it will be optmized (as much as a semi-tas run can be) and will serve higher entertainment as well as a test run for TASers.

Again, I appreciate the feedback and thanks for watching

Note: Hero, I must have worded that wrong. I didn't mean to take credit for your idea of fighting crocomire laugh new

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Fano7

2007-09-20 06:41:48 pm

Every Bit Counts

Quote from ICheatAtGolf:

I'm glad you all liked it. I expected to get some negative feedback, considering the boring-ness of the beginning of the run

If you insest, the run was boring at the beginng. I don't think you can do any thing about it though. I think we all didn't say something like that because this is the first one made.

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BlueGlass

2007-09-20 07:57:36 pm

A few comments

As others have already pointed out, the route was quite odd and highly inefficient. Two trips to Norfair would have been far faster than ewo rounds o item collection.

Also, if those mockballs were really done without slowdown or something similar, you should have a 00:30 SS time unassisted.

Were I to analyze this as a speedrun, I could also point out multiple places where you could have done things differently to save small amounts of time.

Anyway, it was neat to see an RBO, even if semi-TASes like yours aren't really my cup of tea.

ICheatAtGolf:

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ICheatAtGolf

2007-09-20 10:17:56 pm

Quote from BlueGlass:

Also, if those mockballs were really done without slowdown or something similar, you should have a 00:30 SS time unassisted.

I can't help but feel that this comment was needlessly harsh and/or sarcastic. Constructive criticism is one thing.

Lets try to keep this topic legit and friendly, eh? After all, this is one of, if not, the first completed RBO run on video.

Saturn:

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Saturn

2007-09-21 05:43:46 am

Quote from Fano7:

Yeah. How soon? After your SM:R any% TAS?

Yep. I hope to get it done somewhere in 2008.

Quote from hero of the day:

My calculations were that the plasma beam cost more time to collect than it saved at that point, it only saved 40 seconds on the MB battle and that was the only advantage of having it.

I thought that too first, but after more careful testings it turns out that collecting Plasma is still faster in the end. You definitely waste less than 40 in-game seconds to get it in a TAS. I will obviously collect it as well in my run.

And GolfCheater,
Just to let you know, I noticed a pretty major error you did in your run. You collected the landing side Power Bombs on the top right after wasting much time to IBJ there up. You definitely don't need them. 20 PBs are more than enough in a RBO, everything above is a waste of time.

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Tonski

2007-09-21 06:39:41 am

Quote from Saturn:

Yep. I hope to get it done somewhere in 2008.

Lol I hope that even your SM:R TAS would be complete somewhere in 2008. :P Get yo ass busy on the runs and lemme see some progress, that's an order!

Just kidding ;-)

BlueGlass, he used frame advance in many places, and said that most of the run was done full speed. I don't remember him ever saying he didn't use ANY slowdown or frame advance.

ICheatAtGolf:

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ICheatAtGolf

2007-09-21 06:56:33 pm

Quote from Tonski:

BlueGlass, he used frame advance in many places, and said that most of the run was done full speed. I don't remember him ever saying he didn't use ANY slowdown or frame advance.

Exactly. Actually, I only used frame advance once (1-wall-underwater-wall-jumping), also its fairly obvious to tell when i did something in slowdown (such as entering blue brinstar for the first time, using the "aim-down" sprite to dodge the hopper)

Saturn: I'll definitely keep the power bomb advice in my head. you say you'll never need more than 20? What about wave beam combo's? Although the powerbomb refills are very plentiful before ridley, i suppose. Thank god for blue balls laugh new

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BlueGlass

2007-09-21 07:11:32 pm

I'm sorry if that seemed a bit harsh. Your first post had led me to believe that the run was unassisted except for lots of savestates, the Ridley fight, and the 1 wall walljump in the snail room. So whenever I saw those impossibly fast mockballs, I kept on wondering wether this was meant to be a speedrun with tool-assistance at certain points (as many of the far-less-than-perfect movements would imply), or wether it leaned more toward the TAS side, as the super-fast mockballs and other such things seemed to suggest.

But anyway, I did quite enjoy seeing the first ever published complete RBO, despite whatever comments I might have made.

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el padrino

2007-09-21 09:51:11 pm

Question:

Did I download the right movie? cause the first part is samus doinga lot of stupid things like going back to rooms and shooting walls, I see no run here...

Edit:
Hmm it didn't work with the SM rom but it did with the Justin Bailey hack of SM, I can see the run now, but you playing as Justin Bailey

EDIT2:

WTF no! it just doesn't work, there's no run in that file, just you shooting at walls and jumping around, unless this topic is a joke, and I just looked like a jackass....

ICheatAtGolf:

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ICheatAtGolf

2007-09-21 10:19:49 pm

Haha, I remember thinking the same thing when i watched Saturn's first playthrough of Redesign. I was like "Uh...Whats with this guy? Did he spill coffee on his lap?" Then I learned what happened laugh new

Anyway, this phenomenon is known as "desync", which is self explanatory. You see, its not actually a movie, but a recording of button-presses. If you're using a different version of the game than i used, the button presses won't be exactly in-sync with the version i'm using.

An easy way to avoid this is to make sure the movie rom, and the rom you have loaded match. It will tell you if this is, or isn't the case when you go to load up the movie.

Example:

Movie's Rom: Super Metroid (JU).smc
Current Rom: Super Metroid (E).smc <---MISMATCH!

el padrino:

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el padrino

2007-09-21 10:23:41 pm

Quote from ICheatAtGolf:

Haha, I remember thinking the same thing when i watched Saturn's first playthrough of Redesign. I was like "Uh...Whats with this guy? Did he spill coffee on his lap?" Then I learned what happened laugh new

Anyway, this phenomenon is known as "desync", which is self explanatory. You see, its not actually a movie, but a recording of button-presses. If you're using a different version of the game than i used, the button presses won't be exactly in-sync with the version i'm using.

An easy way to avoid this is to make sure the movie rom, and the rom you have loaded match. It will tell you if this is, or isn't the case when you go to load up the movie.

Example:

Movie's Rom: Super Metroid (JU).smc
Current Rom: Super Metroid (E).smc <---MISMATCH!

Lulz, yeah I've got the (E) version rom, I have to download the (JU) version for it to play right right?

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the wicked child

2007-09-21 10:25:21 pm

el padrino, it sounds like you have a similar problem to mine... I can't get smvs to work right. they always end up with samus just running into a wall and jumping at strange times and such.

Lance Uppercut provided some tips a few pages back in the SM:Impossible thread. I've been pretty busy so I havent been able to test them all out yet. They may be helpful to you though.

ICheatAtGolf:

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ICheatAtGolf

2007-09-21 10:28:07 pm

Yeah.

Enjoy!

Any comments are welcome.

BlueGlass: Your apology is both appreciated and accepted. Here and there, I decided to flip on the slowdown just to pull off some cool tricks (Like the kraid escape shinespark 8-) )

I do, however, plan on continuing with RBO, either in a full speed run, or a TAS. I kind of like the challenge of proving something to be humanly possible. aiwebs_008

Edit: Also, whoever is having trouble playing the movie, make sure you're using snes9x 1.43

http://tasvideos.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=535&start=106

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Gaius_4

2007-09-22 08:34:45 am

Very Nice! :o About the backtracking... I wonder, if you could have avoided doing that -if it would've cut off 6 minutes? :P Then... IMhO: it would've been perfect! 8-)

0:52 - 52% extra_smug

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Raccoon Sam

2007-09-22 02:57:17 pm

That is one damn tasty run.
Mind if I encode it to an AVI?

ICheatAtGolf:

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ICheatAtGolf

2007-09-22 05:20:07 pm

Sure thing.