Are you for or against gay marriage?

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2009-05-22 02:56:37 pm

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So if you had been born gay would you walk around feeling like someone who was an abomination?

Well, there's always straight camp.

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2009-05-22 02:59:59 pm

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Well, you can be gay and I will accept you for the person you are, but I do believe it is a sin to be gay. Marriage is made to be for a man and a woman. I will have to say that I am against gay marriage. That is what I believe.

Marriage may have initially been made for coupling men and women only, however culture and society do change. Homosexuals are no longer burned to crisps for being themselves, after all.

It's like being partially racist and blaming it onto your religion.

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2009-05-22 03:13:21 pm

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I do appreciate that the people voting against it don't mind speaking up. Even if I completely disagree, it's good to see they care enough to defend their beliefs.

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2009-05-22 03:27:22 pm

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I do appreciate that the people voting against it don't mind speaking up. Even if I completely disagree, it's good to see they care enough to defend their beliefs.

I wouldn't call them caring, nor have I heard any arguments sound enough to call a defense.

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2009-05-22 03:34:27 pm

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people can use religion to defend anything and there's nothing you can really do to convince them otherwise.

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2009-05-22 03:35:17 pm

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I wouldn't call them caring, nor have I heard any arguments sound enough to call a defense.

I think trying to prevent people from going to Hell would count as caring, and "the Bible says homosexuality is wrong" is all the defence some people are ever likely to need.

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2009-05-22 04:30:45 pm

For one thing, nobody is born gay. I care for you. Gay or not. I just disagree. Nothing is wrong with that. I will treat you just like I treat others. Heck, I have friends who are gay.

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2009-05-22 04:36:57 pm

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For one thing, nobody is born gay.

What evidence do you have supporting that claim?

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2009-05-22 04:40:55 pm

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For one thing, nobody is born gay.

What evidence do you have supporting that claim?

i think its just the decisions they decide to make IF they choose to be gay or not. Its up to them. i dont think its natural to be born that way.

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2009-05-22 04:50:57 pm

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i think its just the decisions they decide to make IF they choose to be gay or not. Its up to them. i dont think its natural to be born that way.

I asked for supporting evidence, not personal belifs. Thanks for sharing your view though.

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2009-05-22 06:11:22 pm

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Along as they leave us alone and they aren't hurting anyone. Im half and half. I keep hearing this on the news. Sorry for posting this.

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For one thing, nobody is born gay.

What evidence do you have supporting that claim?

This.

You cannot really call homosexuality unnatural, because - here's the deal - humans are just one of the many different species of animals in which homosexuality has been observed. It's being done for several different reasons, there's an article on this very thing in a science magazine I have lying around here somewhere and which I can cite when I'm not on my way to bed, but - I mean - there's clearly something more at work than just "deciding" to be gay.

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2009-05-22 08:46:52 pm

*sigh*

I have stated my opinion on this matter and I will not get involved into a childish fight. I really don't want this to become a thread where people start ridiculing others beliefs or religion. This thread should be a debate and not an argument.

Flame away............children.

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2009-05-22 08:57:51 pm

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2009-05-22 09:02:35 pm

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Quote from Outburn3:

Well, you can be gay and I will accept you for the person you are, but I do believe it is a sin to be gay. Marriage is made to be for a man and a woman. I will have to say that I am against gay marriage. That is what I believe.

So if you had been born gay would you walk around feeling like someone who was an abomination?

If I recall, I remember watching/reading something bout how no human is born gay, but are turned gay through what happens in the world around them.

EDIT: oh, didn't read outburn's post.

I don't have any proof, and I have no idea how it COULD be proven. I don't know how/shen a person realizes they are homosexual, I would imagine it would have to start when they hit puberty or something (not sure about this, keep the flaming low lol).

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Marriage should be between a man and woman.

Marriage is a social, religious, spiritual or legal union of individuals that creates kinship. This union may also be called matrimony, while the ceremony that marks its beginning is usually called a wedding and the married status created is sometimes called wedlock.

l2dictionary.

EDIT: lol poision it is genetic, you have it your whole life. It's just that they try to suppress their feelings, because people like that consider them an abomination. It's not a bloody sin, if it was then your god wouldn't create people like that, genius.

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2009-05-22 10:00:34 pm

Death to skinfags, sieg heil.

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Quote from Gaius_4:

Marriage should be between a man and woman.

Marriage is a social, religious, spiritual or legal union of individuals that creates kinship. This union may also be called matrimony, while the ceremony that marks its beginning is usually called a wedding and the married status created is sometimes called wedlock.

l2dictionary.

So what you're saying is that dictionaries are never wrong, never will be, and never have been? If you look up "Jack ass" you'll probably find something related to a donkey, but if you ask anyone in real life what a jack ass is they will usually respond with something like, "Some kind of asshole person, idk".

HERM my train of thought just got distracted. I saw something outside, but it turned out to be nothing, and now I have no idea where I was going with that.. hmph.

Do I have ADD?

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2009-05-22 10:06:55 pm

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So what you're saying is that dictionaries are never wrong, never will be, and never have been? If you look up "Jack ass" you'll probably find something related to a donkey, but if you ask anyone in real life what a jack ass is they will usually respond with something like, "Some kind of asshole person, idk".

Nice assertion, but no. Also, just so you know, marriage has always been a kinship between two people, however it's definition has been skewed by religion as to between a man and a woman. Also, an interesting fact, why does it matter to you if some people who love each other get married?

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2009-05-22 10:07:45 pm

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If I recall, I remember watching/reading something bout how no human is born gay, but are turned gay through what happens in the world around them.

There's many things to read about for either side of whether people are born, or raised gay. It's called the Nature vs. Nurture debate. I'm more inclined to believe the nature side of things based on my own experiences.

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I don't know how/shen a person realizes they are homosexual

The exact same way and time you realize you're heterosexual.

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[rant] On a similar note, why are they allowed to have Gay Pride marches and parades? If the straight people walked around shoving the fact that they're straight in gay people's faces, they'd be crucified immediately. You want to be gay, fine - we don't care, but don't shove it in our faces. [/rant]

This was already addressed, but when you're growing up and see everyone around you grow up in a slightly different way than what you're turning out to be, then find out that who you're becoming is wrong no matter how much you try to fight it, you can find yourself digging such a deep hole that you'd much rather just give up. Then one day you see a fairly large group of people parading who are just like you, and who have the courage to stand up and be proud of who they are despite the oppressions, it's -very- motivational. Obviously you never had to deal with it, so before dismissing the practice with disgust, try putting yourself in their place and then ask yourself why.

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I often find it irksome that gay people fight so hard to be treated equally, and then decide that they want a separate name for the ceremony, and then they want to refer to each other as 'life partner'

I've never met anyone gay who wanted a separate name for either of those things (but I don't doubt their existence). I'm pretty sure the majority want it equal in every respect, down to the naming conventions.

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If I recall, I remember watching/reading something bout how no human is born gay, but are turned gay through what happens in the world around them. [/quote]

There's many things to read about for either side of whether people are born, or raised gay. It's called the Nature vs. Nurture debate. I'm more inclined to believe the nature side of things based on my own experiences.

[quote="Poision Envy"]I don't know how/shen a person realizes they are homosexual[/quote]

The exact same way and time you realize you're heterosexual.

[quote="Quietus"]
[rant] On a similar note, why are they allowed to have Gay Pride marches and parades?  If the straight people walked around shoving the fact that they're straight in gay people's faces, they'd be crucified immediately.  You want to be gay, fine - we don't care, but don't shove it in our faces. [/rant] [/quote]

This was already addressed, but when you're growing up and see everyone around you grow up in a slightly different way than what you're turning out to be, then find out that who you're becoming is wrong no matter how much you try to fight it, you can find yourself digging such a deep hole that you'd much rather just give up. Then one day you see a fairly large group of people parading who are [i]just like you[/i], and who have the courage to stand up and be proud of who they are despite the oppressions, it's -very- motivational. Obviously you never had to deal with it, so before dismissing the practice with disgust, try putting yourself in their place and then ask yourself why.

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I often find it irksome that gay people fight so hard to be treated equally, and then decide that they want a separate name for the ceremony, and then they want to refer to each other as 'life partner'[/quote]

I've never met anyone gay who wanted a separate name for either of those things (but I don't doubt their existence). I'm pretty sure the majority want it equal in every respect, down to the naming conventions.

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2009-05-22 10:16:14 pm

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I often find it irksome that gay people fight so hard to be treated equally, and then decide that they want a separate name for the ceremony, and then they want to refer to each other as 'life partner'

They would rather be refered to as a life partner than "fucking faggot" or "butt buddy".

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Poision Envy

2009-05-22 10:20:10 pm

Death to skinfags, sieg heil.

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Nice assertion, but no. Also, just so you know, marriage has always been a kinship between two people, however it's definition has been skewed by religion as to between a man and a woman. Also, an interesting fact, why does it matter to you if some people who love each other get married?

When you say "skewed by religion" are you saying that the definition can only be political/governmental? Why can't it have a religious definition? Is it because Mr. Webster "claimed" that as the definition first, and is therefore unchangeable? (I hope this doesn't sound like I'm ranting or flaming, I'm just curious as why). Why is it that the definition of marriage is "skewed by religion" and not "skewed by politics/government", is it because the first definition wasn't religious?

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Baby Sheegoth

2009-05-22 10:21:09 pm

Mostly because gay people obviously don't give a flying fuck about the religious view of it.

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2009-05-22 10:53:13 pm

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Mostly because gay people obviously don't give a flying fuck about the religious view of it.

Well they should, since it's a big part of the reason why there is so much of a struggle over it.

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Metroid Menace

2009-05-22 11:03:28 pm

Caring for religion isn't going to suddenly make the struggle vanish.

Come on now.

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2009-05-22 11:47:55 pm

Death to skinfags, sieg heil.

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Caring for religion isn't going to suddenly make the struggle vanish.

Come on now.

Same goes with ridding the world of aids, even if everyone was a perfect Christian there would still be aids, same goes with gays (or something like that)