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ducknerd:
registered on 2006-12-23 11:16:33 am.
 
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2007-10-09 10:09:16 pm
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Eschews avatars
Phantoon has 2500 HP, missiles do 100, supers do double damage (so 600) but trigger his "LOL I R UP TOP AND YOU CAN'T HIT ME" phase, and charged power beam shots do only 60. Assuming you get the "first hit" in with a missile (pseudo-screwing through the fire, shooting the beam at the ceiling, then letting loose), and that you can get in three more hits after this (I'm pretty sure that's the most you can reliably do on console, but I could be wrong), that's 400 damage per round. So, the Phantoon fight would look like:
r1: 4 missiles, 2100 hp
r2: 4 missiles, 1700 hp
r3: 4 missiles, 1300 hp
r4: 4 missiles, 900 hp
r5: 3 missiles, 1 super, exactly 0

So the WS-first strategy is definitely only worth it in a TAS (where you can get 19 hits in instead of 4 :) ) or a low-% run.

Also, on another note, the avi has only sound, no video, and crashes VLC. Anyone else having this problem?
Gustaf:
registered on 2007-09-13 11:52:34 pm.
 
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2007-10-10 04:39:24 am
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Yeah, my BSPlayers' video is screwed but the sound does play and the vid thing on the site just.. goes all grey and looks ooey gooey.
Tonski:
registered on 2007-02-15 01:16:13 pm.
 
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2007-10-10 06:38:38 am
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I personally think 4 round should be very very possible on console with only missiles and charge. You can always use the strutter walk and shoot missiles, if you're good enough you get a few more you could normally.
Cpadolf:
registered on 2007-02-14 03:32:46 am.
 
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2007-10-10 07:04:25 am
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Hurr Durr
Though I think a console runner should just walk toward him while going nuts on the fire button. Much easier and should not get a worse result. Though I stand firm to my belife that sub 3 rounds with only missiles and supers are impossible on console.
Tonski:
registered on 2007-02-15 01:16:13 pm.
 
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2007-10-10 07:07:45 am
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I remember BlueGlass saying he's done 1-2 rounds on console with a turbo controller?

I might be wrong.
Saturn:
registered on 2005-09-01 03:34:43 pm.
 
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2007-10-10 11:40:15 am
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Quote from Gustaf:
Yeah, my BSPlayers' video is screwed but the sound does play and the vid thing on the site just.. goes all grey and looks ooey gooey.

The video doesn't work through the sites player. Download and play it back on another player that supports x264 format. VLC work fine for me.
SkutSkut:
registered on 2007-09-09 10:12:54 pm.
 
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2007-10-10 11:44:31 am
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thanks for the information everyone
Fano7:
registered on 2007-09-01 09:26:53 am.
 
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2007-10-19 07:38:27 pm
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Every Bit Counts
How do you turn an smv into an avi?
P.JMan:
registered on 2005-11-30 10:52:21 am.
 
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2007-10-20 03:11:10 am
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I like Big Butts and I can not lie
Read this
horscht(i):
registered on 2007-02-19 06:19:27 pm.
 
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2007-10-20 11:18:54 am
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defrag in progress
-> Does anyone know what happens if you reenter the bomb torizo`s room after you skipped fighting him?
I`m just curious and my skills aren`t adequate enough to check by myself.

Is it still a statue? Has it already awaken?
Saturn:
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2007-10-20 11:23:26 am
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It is still a statue that will awake by itself shortly after you reenter the room (since you already got the Bombs).
horscht(i):
registered on 2007-02-19 06:19:27 pm.
 
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2007-10-20 11:38:53 am
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defrag in progress
So it behaves as usual. What happens, if you try to rescue the animals?
Just animals and no statue, I guess?
Cpadolf:
registered on 2007-02-14 03:32:46 am.
 
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2007-10-20 11:51:10 am
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Hurr Durr
Yeah, once the "ZOMG escape zebes in 03:00:00 o_0" is triggered the Torizo disapeares and is replaced by the animals.
moozooh:
registered on 2006-01-11 12:51:46 pm.
 
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2007-10-21 03:32:51 pm
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Quote from Cpadolf:
Though I stand firm to my belife that sub 3 rounds with only missiles and supers are impossible on console.

Certain person named Michael Flatley claimed it was possible in realtime, though.
Cpadolf:
registered on 2007-02-14 03:32:46 am.
 
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2007-10-21 04:58:53 pm
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Hurr Durr
2 round Shocked  I'd like to see that before I believe it.
moozooh:
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2007-10-21 05:10:10 pm
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He actually said one-round, but since he then got married and promptly strayed away from gaming affairs, we never got to see it in action anyhow.
Cpadolf:
registered on 2007-02-14 03:32:46 am.
 
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2007-10-21 05:29:22 pm
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Hurr Durr
Well in theory of course it would be possible, but I think I'm safe to say that no one will ever actually do it.
moozooh:
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2007-10-21 05:40:06 pm
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I actually conducted some experiments on that, and was able to stuff 6-7 missiles per round more-or-less consistently. If someone were able to make that 10, that would be just enough for a successful two-rounding (first round:10; second round: 9+1).
Saturn:
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2007-10-22 02:06:40 am
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One round Phantoon on console is bull. It is far away of beeing possible in realtime. Michael simply overestimated the situation after he got it done with frame advance.
moozooh:
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2007-10-22 08:07:28 am
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Actually, he knew about it way before he knew of the existance of frame advance. >_> That might still be true, though.

Then again, Michael is a man of considerable game tricking talent.
Saturn:
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2007-10-22 05:32:57 pm
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Yeah, he knew that it was possible by using the doppler effect. But I'm sure that even if he did it in realtime (in his early work on ZSNES which didn't support frame advance at that time), he definitely required alot of savestates and retrys for it. Getting 20 Missiles in without any delays and precisely adjusting the running speed towards Phantoon in the same time is something that is far away of being possible without any emulator benefits.
magoo:
registered on 2008-01-30 10:43:46 pm.
 
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2008-01-30 10:50:08 pm
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How can I download the AVI video?
I thought the big link in the first page was to begin the download but it sends me to another page, and i couldn't find the video there?
Can anybody help me?
Cpadolf:
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2008-01-31 01:26:42 am
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Hurr Durr
No the Avi seems to be unaccesible through that link. Don't know what you could do.