About emulated speed runs...

ICheatAtGolf:

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ICheatAtGolf

2007-06-08 06:09:34 pm

Moozooh, I have to say that the Torizo skip on NTSC surprised me quite a bit, but just goes to show this game is never truly broken. How many times have we thought every big secret had been found?

I have been doing speed runs a lot lately...to my amazement i got a 00:38 single segment run (not on video unfortunately) and i decided i might have the skills it takes to break the record. (i haven't been speed-running that long, but have been playing this game for years)

Anyway, (this is going to shock you) I think I have a chance at a 00:31 segmented run! I have been practicing a lot lately...and i mean A LOT, and to my amazement, when i saved in red brinstar before wrecked ship, my time was 00:10.

Is this a good time? Do i have even a remote chance?

EDIT: I've been hearing that its possible to 2-Round Phantoon. Can someone explain this to me? and is it even possible without save states/slowdown?

i've just been using hotarubi's method.

072:

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072

2007-06-08 06:15:15 pm

coral to complement blue

Assuming you already killed Kraid, went through Norfair and stuff, and then went to Red Brinstar, then yes, that is a very good time. The best that you can get there.

EDIT:

Phantoon 2-Round:

Quote from I once:

2 rounding Phantoon isn't incredibily difficult, really. He does the same pattern every time, so it isn't really luck based. After the first shot, he'll fly to the right of the room, then to the left. You need to shoot him the second time while he's heading toward the left, so start charging immediately after your first shot goes off. He then proceeds to fly over to the right, through the wall, and then a few seconds later, he comes back and flys through the wall on the left. You need to pause right after your second shot, when he loses his momentum from going to the left and is about to fly to the right and through the wall. Unequip spazer, hold in shoot, and unpause. When you have control again, run over to the far right, pause for a half a second and jump 3/4 of the way up the room, and the combo should go off during your descent, right when Phantoon comes back around.

Assuming you already killed Kraid, went through Norfair and stuff, and then went to Red Brinstar, then yes, that is a very good time. The best that you can get there.

EDIT:

Phantoon 2-Round:

[quote="I once"]2 rounding Phantoon isn't incredibily difficult, really. He does the same pattern every time, so it isn't really luck based. After the first shot, he'll fly to the right of the room, then to the left. You need to shoot him the second time while he's heading toward the left, so start charging immediately after your first shot goes off. He then proceeds to fly over to the right, through the wall, and then a few seconds later, he comes back and flys through the wall on the left. You need to pause right after your second shot, when he loses his momentum from going to the left and is about to fly to the right and through the wall. Unequip spazer, hold in shoot, and unpause. When you have control again, run over to the far right, pause for a half a second and jump 3/4 of the way up the room, and the combo should go off during your descent, right when Phantoon comes back around. [/quote]

[img]http://img391.imageshack.us/img391/5242/phantoondemomm0.png[/img]

ICheatAtGolf:

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ICheatAtGolf

2007-06-08 06:18:23 pm

Great. Now I just need to work on my weak spot, wrecked ship (good thing i'm doing this segmented, i can only successfully do the gravity suit spark about 2 of every 5 tries)

072:

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072

2007-06-08 06:23:04 pm

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Oh yeah, that's just about the wave beam combo^.

Phantoon 2-Rounding goes:

-2 Charged Wave/Spazer shots, wave beam combo
-2 Charged Wave/Spazer shots, SuperMissile

ICheatAtGolf:

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ICheatAtGolf

2007-06-08 06:51:26 pm

wow, i completely forgot about the wave beam combo. that would be pretty hard to time though...

not as hard as botwoon, at least laugh new

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Cpadolf

2007-06-09 03:03:41 am

Hurr Durr

ICheatAtGolf: Are you recording on emulator or console? Also if on emulator do you use keyborad or a USB controller?

EDIT: Just made a check. In my recent 00:39 SS run on NTSC i had 13 at redbrinstar, (stoped the movie there and checked) and that was by far my worst part. So if i evened the misstakes out i would have 12 there meaning you are 2 minutes ahead of a 39 run after the first third of the game. With that said everything points to that you have a good chance at getting sub 34 at least.

EDIT2: Saturn had 12 at redbrinstar so it all makes perfect sense.

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072

2007-06-09 11:23:05 am

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I still haven't beat 11. =(

Probably because when I screw up (usually around old Tourain or Crateria), I don't reset, I just play the rest of the segment for practice.

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ICheatAtGolf

2007-06-09 05:13:12 pm

I will be playing on emulator until I buy the cart, at which point i will record the movie if and when i think i have a chance to beat the record.

The first segment is my strong point mainly because it requires little health conservation, and because my ledge-grabbing skills allow me to do extremely fast shaft-climbs...especially the zebes escape shaft, that is one of my strong points now that I have practiced it (and because i have some experience TASing now as well)

Once i get to phantoon, my run starts to slow down...i never have quite enough health to fight phantoon without getting health drops and i never seem to have enough supers, either. i always end up having to hope for a super drop from the blue flames.

I can't seem to beat 0:16 at the pre-botwoon save point.

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072

2007-06-09 05:45:37 pm

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How many Supers do you have at Red Brinstar?

ICheatAtGolf:

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ICheatAtGolf

2007-06-09 11:18:27 pm

i usually have around 2-3 after killing the spined enemies (quite embarassing that i forgot what they are called)

considering i'm doing a segmented run and they will respawn when i leave the save room, my mistake is probably that i don't kill the one that is near the door when coming back out.

the real issue here is the health, though. I usually arrive at phantoon with less than 1 e-tank and i'm trying to think of ways to improve my conservation...such as jumping the lava room instead of rolling under the blocks, and avoiding the standard enemy jumps before kraid's lair and after the speed booster.

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072

2007-06-10 12:58:23 pm

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You need 4 Supers for the Wrecked Ship. (5 if you are doind the Scarlet method of sparking-- not recommended.)

-One for the door entering
-One for the next door
-One for the Eye Door
-One for Phantoon

If you refill your Super supply on the respawing enemies in norfair, like Hotarubi does, then you shouldn't have a problem getting at least 4, since you get 2 free ones from the cactuses.

Health:

Um, refill in red brinstar?

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Cpadolf

2007-06-12 04:31:32 am

Hurr Durr

I made a test run with all the tricks and fast overall playing (though i most likely forgot something, i always do) and it came out 00:30 (with savestates ofcourse) so i thought that i could post my times at the most used savestations. (i never accualy saved and continiued to play from there, just save, check time and loadstate)

Redbrinstar, 00:09
Pre-botwoon, 00:15
Pre-LN elevator, 00:19
Gunship (altough this one shouldn't be used i guess) 00:24.

So if you are aiming for 31 you can't have more then 20 before LN (if you save there) and even if you don't it will be very tough to get 31.

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072

2007-06-12 12:22:06 pm

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Yeah, something is wrong with your WS-Maridia segment. You should be able to get 15 there with a 10 at Red Brinstar, 9 is probably impossible. Did you have a perfect Phantoon fight? (Including 2-Round)

Very interesting anyway, those are all the times needed for a 31 (besides the 9), and you got a 30?

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Cpadolf

2007-06-13 02:12:53 am

Hurr Durr

Yes, a very high 30 though. About 10-15 seconds from a 31.

More interesting though is the fact that i duplicated (more ore less) the run to PAL, the only major differens was the torizo skip. And the time ended up 34! this was a low 34 though so the difference was ~3:30 between the runs and the two was as equal as i could make them.

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Tonski

2007-06-13 05:03:10 am

If 9 in Red Brinstar is possible with savestates but without slowdown, it's possible on console too. Just takes amazing amount of skill.

Once again I find myself saying hotarubi could do it.

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Cpadolf

2007-06-13 06:52:31 am

Hurr Durr

Although I did actually use slowdowns, lazy as I am I did not wish to spend that much time on the test run... but i am certain that I did not do anything impossible (that was not my plan)

But another interesting fact is that my time at the tourian segment was 6 min on NTSC and 8 min on PAL. This means that 50% of the difference in the endtime comes from a 15-20% of the game. I really can't figure out why the difference in the tourian segment is so huge.
My best guess would be that it has something to do with the MB fight.