About emulated speed runs...

ICheatAtGolf:

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ICheatAtGolf

2007-05-07 11:46:29 pm

I have a few questions. I just completed a single segment 0:43 with 28% items (i could have gone lower) and I am now planning on shooting for a sub 40 minute segmented run. This is also emulated, so I have the following questions:

-Is there any way to prove that slowdown was not used? I'd hate to work hard playing in real time, and striving for this goal just to be accused of slowdown. I know re-records are shown on the movie information, but what about slowdown?

-I remember watching one of Smokey's runs about 2 years ago...I downloaded about 5 SMV files I believe, how did everyone come to the conclusion that slowdown was not used? I plan to use this method.

I should have this posted soon when i finish the run, if anyone is interested in watching. I have some new tricks and have perfected the real-time short charge and some other stuff.

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JaggerG

2007-05-08 01:35:40 am

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That M2k2 guy

Speedruns done on emulators are not accepted by SDA at all.

It's not just accusations of TASing, either. Despite all the effort to emulate the console as closely as possible and despite their continued efforts to approach emulation perfection, you're still going to have slight differences, such as lag, and controller capabilities. To officially break any speed record, you have to be using the console the game had been made for.

Other than that, if you're looking into producing a technical demonstration to complete a game under certain conditions that SDA may not accept, you probably have to ask nate about it being featured in the speedruns section of the main site. Something like this, though, is probably not likely to be considered, since it's basically a normal speedrun. Sorry.

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13M13

2007-05-08 06:55:52 pm

l'appel du vide

Faux console speedruns are pointless.

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SamuraiSamus

2007-05-08 08:52:37 pm

Beware: off duty ninja

Quote from 13M13:

Faux console speedruns are pointless.

well I do them personally. would I ever use them to make a claim to something on SDA? no.

getting all the consoles and metroid games requires money, and saving up for all of the above consoles is hardly a priority in my life, so doing things on emus would be something that does have a point . . even if the point would be me having a good time trying to beat personal bests

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JaggerG

2007-05-09 02:01:50 am

Shifty Leader

That M2k2 guy

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Faux console speedruns are pointless.

I liked you better in 2005.

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13M13

2007-05-09 02:47:37 pm

l'appel du vide

Yeah, me too. The Internet has ravaged my soul.

I feel it every so often. It cries out to me.

ICheatAtGolf:

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ICheatAtGolf

2007-05-11 08:39:16 am

I understand that an emulated speed run would never be put on the SDA :( but oh well. Anyway, I just nailed a 0:41 single segment on video (just yesterday my best was 0:44!)

Maybe its not Hotarubi-quality, but considering last week I had never even finished a pure speed run (wow?) I think this is a pretty good time. Shocked

Here is the smv:

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Lance Uppercut:

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Lance Uppercut

2007-05-11 09:24:14 am

It sure is, but why did you not put it in the "Best times" -topic?
It would be noticed much better. It does not matter if it is emulated or not.

Also, if someone bothers to deceive others by slowing down and playing for hours to get one good speedrun, then I really pity the fool.

I believe ya, my record is 00:41 too and I accomplished it not too long ago myself, welcome to the club :)

Let´s fight to accomplish sub-40 some day!

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ICheatAtGolf

2007-05-11 11:33:54 am

Quote from Lance Uppercut:

It sure is, but why did you not put it in the "Best times" -topic?
It would be noticed much better. It does not matter if it is emulated or not.

Also, if someone bothers to deceive others by slowing down and playing for hours to get one good speedrun, then I really pity the fool.

I believe ya, my record is 00:41 too and I accomplished it not too long ago myself, welcome to the club :)

Let´s fight to accomplish sub-40 some day!

Hmmm, your right. I should probably post this in the "Best Times" topic. Just kinda seemed like the right place to put the SMV at the time :-P

Yeah, I would pity the fool as well. However if I were to do such a thing I could easily nail a sub-35 single segment, and you as well.

Congratulations, and thanks

Sounds like a plan, my man! 8-)

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Smokey

2007-05-13 11:15:20 pm

Quote from ICheatAtGolf:

-I remember watching one of Smokey's runs about 2 years ago...I downloaded about 5 SMV files I believe, how did everyone come to the conclusion that slowdown was not used? I plan to use this method.

:s that was a double meaning question. Even though at that time they were impressive, game-play time wise, they were also horribly executed and my gaming skills weren't as good as my last console run.

just keep the hard work and simply state that you didn't use slow-downs. It's 2007, I'm pretty sure people by now are eye trained to spot the slightest use of slowdown in any run... but still, if there's something I can say to you to change your mind so you can record it on console I'd say that you'll be twice as satisfied if you get the same result, just because you're actually playing it on the real thing plus it will be easily accepted.

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Tonski

2007-05-14 06:58:44 am

Quote from Lance Uppercut:

It sure is, but why did you not put it in the "Best times" -topic?
It would be noticed much better. It does not matter if it is emulated or not.

Also, if someone bothers to deceive others by slowing down and playing for hours to get one good speedrun, then I really pity the fool.

I believe ya, my record is 00:41 too and I accomplished it not too long ago myself, welcome to the club :)

Let´s fight to accomplish sub-40 some day!

I know that Cpadolf will be getting 39 before you NTSC-players. :P I'd like to join the club too but it's not that easy. My current run will end up being a 40 min, so I'll have to start the whole run again if I ever want to make it 39. I'll sure play this one through though.

ICheatAtGolf congrats on your time! :P I'm pretty sure you and Lance could get under 41. The only thing is when and how much under 40 it'll go. Be sure to post it in the Best Times -topic when you get under 40. ;) That's already Smokey-level in his old 38 SS run.

[quote="Lance Uppercut"]It sure is, but why did you not put it in the "Best times" -topic?
It would be noticed much better. It does not matter if it is emulated or not.

Also, if someone bothers to deceive others by slowing down and playing for hours to get one good speedrun, then I really pity the fool.

I believe ya, my record is 00:41 too and I accomplished it not too long ago myself, welcome to the club  :)

Let´s fight to accomplish sub-40 some day![/quote]
I know that Cpadolf will be getting 39 before you NTSC-players. :P I'd like to join the club too but it's not that easy. My current run will end up being a 40 min, so I'll have to start the whole run again if I ever want to make it 39. I'll sure play this one through though.

ICheatAtGolf congrats on your time! :P I'm pretty sure you and Lance could get under 41. The only thing is when and how much under 40 it'll go. Be sure to post it in the Best Times -topic when you get under 40. ;) That's already Smokey-level in his old 38 SS run.

Lance Uppercut:

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Lance Uppercut

2007-05-14 07:48:24 am

Yeah, well this is not a matter of who gets under 40 first. I am not in a hurry to get better times. Thats why I said some day. Personally I would be very glad if I can get 40 at first and then 39. As I stated before, going below that needs some polishing up on some tricks.

I am confident that I can get at least 40 or maybe even 39 with a good performance with my current skills. I just made one attempt and got 42 with incredibly lousy boss fights.

ICheatAtGolf:

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ICheatAtGolf

2007-05-14 01:04:39 pm

thanks for the support. and i agree that getting the same result on a console run would give much more satisfaction, i guess i'll buy the system and cart on ebay once i get the chance. we gave them all away to some old friends a long time ago :|

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Lance Uppercut

2007-05-14 04:16:23 pm

Yeah, it would be very nice to buy the console and start hammering this game even more.

Maybe someday I will too... but then I would have to learn to play with a controller and that takes some time too, I never really liked any controllers besides the classic NES-controller, which does not have too many buttons to press :P

P.S
Seeing Smokeys great 0:38 run I have even more confidence about making my own times better. It does not require all the funky tricks and glitches after all. I also noticed that my gameplay is very similar in many ways. Now to watch the segmented one too... :)

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Jweb Guru

2007-05-14 08:27:16 pm

Lance, I like your run because it makes me work harder to improve. Even though it's not perfect like Hotarubi's run you still manage to get great times, but in a more attainable way.

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Lance Uppercut

2007-05-15 06:15:22 am

Thanks man!

Yeah, maybe my runs also show that it is possible to improve times without learning new tricks all the time.

When doing single-segment run, I like to "play it safe" in some cases. It is allright to try something but if it does not go right the first time, it is better to just move on and not waste time trying again and again. Overall speed impresses me as much as performing tricks, maybe even more.

Smokey, how did you charge up shinespark in Norfair before the pillar room in your 0:38 run? That did not look like a short charge but you still managed to do it allright. Also I was very impressed with your shinesparking skills, especially the mid-air ones. Great learning material!

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Tonski

2007-05-15 06:41:53 am

Didn't Smokey miss the WS lake shine once because going straight up? It's been long since I've watched that run but I think that was the case. :P

I just remembered something!! I have the Universal Adaptor for SNES allowing me to play NTSC and JPN games. :D I think I might buy NTSC Super Metroid form eBay or some place and try to reach sub 40 SS run with that. :P When I have the time and money I'll probably make this happen, but before that I'm speedrunning on PAL. If I ever happen to get sub 40 times (SS and segmented) on PAL I think I'll leave it there. Even on NTSC going under 40 is not ALL that easy.

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Lance Uppercut

2007-05-15 07:08:29 am

Lets not nitpick about one little mistake made in a SS run, I meant the quality of the sparks in general. They look like Samus was shot from a cannon or something :)

Yeah going under 40 even with NTSC is not a childs play, like it sometimes is assumed.

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Tonski

2007-05-15 07:55:57 am

The smv I posted owned smokey and you know it. The clear time has nothing to do with it. I just pwned everyone. extra_smug

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Lance Uppercut

2007-05-15 08:11:48 am

Now I honestly lost track.... :|

Anyway, just watched Smokeys 0:36 segmented and that offered even more confidence. It was no trickfest but the overall speed was amazing. Time to begin adjusting overall speed even more.

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Tonski

2007-05-15 08:16:54 am

Lance, it was supposed to be a joke. :P

My overall speed in my opinion isn't that godlike, but at least in segmented runs I do a lot of tricks. In SS runs my overall speed usually is better but I fail in more tricks, costing time and slowing me down.

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Lance Uppercut

2007-05-15 09:42:09 am

Yeah I know it was a joke. That was also supposed to be some weird sarcastic response for it :)

It is always a search for balance between tricks and overall speed. Of course, Hotarubi had both in his run. The result we all know :P

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Saturn

2007-05-16 12:38:42 pm

Yes, Smokeys runs kick very much ass, even now. Especially the shinespark and walljumping abilities are top and really compareable to Hotarubi.

I think it's sad he retired from active SM-speedrunning, because with his incredible gaming skills he could definitely compete for the new 100% record along with BlueGlass and Hotarubi, by perfectionizing his last lacking tricks, which AFAIK is the flat and safe mockball, boss strategies and enemy knockbacks a bit more.

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Smokey

2007-05-19 11:50:16 pm

haha, I'm gonna watch that smv.

Quote from Saturn:

Yes, Smokeys runs kick very much ass, even now. Especially the shinespark and walljumping abilities are top and really compareable to Hotarubi.

I think it's sad he retired from active SM-speedrunning, because with his incredible gaming skills he could definitely compete for the new 100% record along with BlueGlass and Hotarubi, by perfectionizing his last lacking tricks, which AFAIK is the flat and safe mockball, boss strategies and enemy knockbacks a bit more.

thanks for the comment. I haven't seeing Hotarubi's run (stuck w 56kb), could somebody post a list of all the new tricks he used, I might consider picking up the game again for summer, sigh. Also, what happened to Azor's run?

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072

2007-05-20 12:27:27 am

coral to complement blue

Well, he didn't use any "new" tricks, really. Have you seen Terimakasih's TAS? It's pretty much like that, with your route.

I could give you some more info, but you'll have to be more specific.

About Azor's run... I'm not sure. But he isn't the only one going for the record. Wink