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rekameohs:

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rekameohs

2010-07-11 01:46:01 pm

Anywhere, everywhere

You just get wild with a wallcrawl from the back. The flower's not there so beat the ghosts from the skywalk and fall onto the artifact from above.

It's not an issue, the phazon elevator and twin fires are the issue.

Kharay1977:

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Kharay1977: 2010-07-11 01:52:55 pm

2010-07-11 01:48:04 pm

Quote from juliano6010:

Emm, you need the Artifact which is there, it only appears when you beat the ghosts, and they appear after Flaahgra...

Technically, they don't appear after defeating Flaahgra, it's more complicated than that. But, I see what you were trying to do though.

Still, I'd suggest doing it from the other side. As in, finding an SW that climbs Suntower from the other side. So, something like http://www.metroid2002.com/secret_worlds_suntower_fj.php to climb the tower, so we can then get the Artifact the 'normal' speedrun way (the bomb ladder).

Quote from rekameohs:

You just get wild with a wallcrawl from the back. The flower's not there so beat the ghosts from the skywalk and fall onto the artifact from above.

Or that.

juliano6010:

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juliano6010: 2010-07-12 10:06:39 am

2010-07-12 10:06:11 am

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So, something like http://www.metroid2002.com/secret_worlds_suntower_fj.php to climb the tower

But in the PAl version it´s impossible to arrive until that place with the Floaty Jump becuase it disappear Sad

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first defeat Flaahagra..than this...(right video)

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The flower's not there so beat the ghosts from the skywalk and fall onto the artifact from above.

But I think that it´s possible to get it with the Bombs.

http://www.metroid2002.com/without_space_jump_artifact_of_wild.php

=skipping Varia Suit+ get arctifact of wild! bingoo!!>_>

What?! Is it possible to reach to the door with the FJ but without the SJ?!

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juliano6010

2010-07-12 10:07:49 am

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You just get wild with a wallcrawl from the back. The flower's not there so beat the ghosts from the skywalk and fall onto the artifact from above.

But I think that it´s possible to get it with the Bombs.

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2010-07-12 10:17:01 am

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But in the PAl version it´s impossible to arrive until that place with the Floaty Jump becuase it disappear Sad

I hope you weren't honestly expecting 20% to be done in PAL/PC. Because it's obvious it needs to be done in 0-00 NTSC.

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juliano6010

2010-07-17 11:00:57 am

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Because it's obvious it needs to be done in 0-00 NTSC.

Why?

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synbios

2010-07-17 11:19:07 am

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Because it's obvious it needs to be done in 0-00 NTSC.

Why?

I think that's because skipping space jump requires a shitload of scan dashes. Scan dash is not available on PAL version unfortunately

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juliano6010

2010-07-24 10:49:57 am

But people, are you totalli sure that it´s impossible to do wallcrawling in Magmoor without Varia? Because in this video, you can see that the ambient only damage you when you pass throw the door or above it.

Boris:

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Boris

2010-07-24 12:14:35 pm

The Overlord of All Acorns.

Aha! Good find Juliano!

I suck at wallcrawling, but I'm gonna mess around a bunch today and look around at that.

rekameohs:

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rekameohs

2010-07-24 12:46:17 pm

Anywhere, everywhere

Nice try, but if you look at the map, you're not actually in the heated room, so you wouldn't be able to reach the next room.

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Boris

2010-07-24 12:58:41 pm

The Overlord of All Acorns.

yeah, i just tried to go through burning trail. the thing about the video is that the box for the room must be almost the same size as the room itself. I burned to death two rooms away from burning trail because I was within the room's box.

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sabata2

2010-07-24 03:18:45 pm

ANKOKU

You mean two rooms before or two rooms after?

Cause if it's after, then can't we improve the chance with increasingly better wall crawling skill?

As for the video, he made it to the door, what would have happened if he shot at it to open it?

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rekameohs

2010-07-24 05:00:16 pm

Anywhere, everywhere

Quote from sabata2:

As for the video, he made it to the door, what would have happened if he shot at it to open it?

It would either freeze or the heated room would disappear. You'd have to move the map to say you're in the room (and take heat damage) to move on.

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Boris

2010-07-24 05:36:23 pm

The Overlord of All Acorns.

Quote from sabata2:

You mean two rooms before or two rooms after?

Cause if it's after, then can't we improve the chance with increasingly better wall crawling skill?

As for the video, he made it to the door, what would have happened if he shot at it to open it?

two rooms away from burning trail. I went in through the burning trail SW.

yeah i suck at wallcrawling

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sabata2

2010-07-25 03:32:50 pm

ANKOKU

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It would either freeze or the heated room would disappear. You'd have to move the map to say you're in the room (and take heat damage) to move on.

I believe that's something we should find out. Bypassing one Heated room in such a way would make the wall crawl much more feasible.

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two rooms away from burning trail. I went in through the burning trail SW.

yeah i suck at wallcrawling

Didn't mean to diss ya, juts meant that some of the best might be able to do it.

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Boris

2010-07-25 07:52:09 pm

The Overlord of All Acorns.

Quote from sabata2:

Quote from rekameohs:

It would either freeze or the heated room would disappear. You'd have to move the map to say you're in the room (and take heat damage) to move on.

I believe that's something we should find out. Bypassing one Heated room in such a way would make the wall crawl much more feasible.

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two rooms away from burning trail. I went in through the burning trail SW.

yeah i suck at wallcrawling

Didn't mean to diss ya, juts meant that some of the best might be able to do it.

no, i didnt take it like that

i had 3 etanks going in :P

Paraxade:

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Paraxade

2010-08-18 12:13:03 pm

late but since I just saw this

Quote from sabata2:

Quote from rekameohs:

It would either freeze or the heated room would disappear. You'd have to move the map to say you're in the room (and take heat damage) to move on.

I believe that's something we should find out. Bypassing one Heated room in such a way would make the wall crawl much more feasible.

Neither, actually - the door'll turn gray but nothing will happen. The game won't load the next room if the map says you're in the wrong room. To get through Magmoor we would have to actually transition from room to room, and the heat effect triggers when the map says you're inside a heated room, so wallcrawling around it is not going to work, 100% sure of that. To skip Varia for low% then we need either a way to negate the heat damage or a way to avoid going through the long sequence of heated rooms until we get the Phazon suit. The former sounds more likely than the latter imo, but they're both a long ways off from happening.

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sabata2

2010-08-21 08:32:03 pm

ANKOKU

Well I mean like, walk to the end of the room, ready the door to load, and then "enter" the heated room.

You'll be right at the next room's entrance in the SW when the heat kicks in.

I'm not knowledgeable on SW traversing at all, but from what you described, it sounds like you'd be unable to get anywhere with a SW since you can't reenter the room at the door to the next.

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Paraxade

2010-08-22 01:00:26 pm

You cannot transition the map into the heated room anywhere except the door that connects it to the room the map actually says you're in, and you can't load the next room without having transitioned into the heated room. Walking to the end of the room won't help at all.

ummmm

2010-09-07 07:16:43 pm

well you dont need to use power beam to open blue or "anybeam doors" so mabey we can skip one of the beams i dont know if beam doors open if you dont have to beam and your in a sw